Discussion in 'Grappling Technique' started by Barbadosdaluta, Jan 3, 2015.
No disrespect taken!
The judo guys all take BJJ as well, and the judo instructor is also a BJJ brown belt who attends the BJJ classes. I am also a judo and BJJ black belt, and I teach the judo class whenever the instructor can't make it in, so we have a good finger on the pulse of all the developments of the students, both on the feet and on the ground.
Sweet, sounds like a nice setup.
I wish. My bjj coach says that if I want to do judo I should go to judo club (and that is what I do
We do learn throws time to time but we never actually use them in sparring. Other bjj clubs I visited were very much like that.
I think for a beginner it would be better to join judo club until he can tell difference between the two sports. Less money, wider availability. That if his body can tolerate all that pain and suffering. My body only lets me practice judo once a week. When I get even older I'll move to aikido and then to contactless martial arts
We specifically have both bjj and judo in the name. We do about 30%judo and 70% bjj in every 2 hour class. We have people who compete in both from white belt to advanced belts. We wear rank in bjj but award both to those who want judo rank as well (most people). Our two main coaches have both a bjj and judo black belts. One is a two stripe bb in bjj and a sandan. The other has no stripes on his bjj belt but is a Yodan. We have another shodan who is a purple in bjj.
It can be difficult to keep the rules straight. We have to do a lot of rules seminars prior to comps. Judo has been really difficult to keep up with over the last few years.
When we do standing randori we allow all takedowns even if the judo rules disallow them. With that said because of our competitors most of us stick to judo rules mostly.
That's cool he's honest about his curriculum.
That's the problem with most Jiu Jitsu clubs, they will show a take down but they will never let you work it on a fully resisting partner. You're just stuck figuring it out when you get to a competition.
In Judo, our newaza might be crude compared to a Jiu Jitsu player, but at least we go live and our ground grappling is ample enough within the rules we play by.
I train in both, hearing all these dual black belts is inspiring. I can't wait to get purple in the near future.
I've trained at 3 different dojo's/gyms that offer both BJJ and judo.
You don't need takedowns to compete in bjj.
And judo in particular in my experience has very little use unless you are really good in it.
This sounds like an ideal set up
It is preferable that you do. I know people look at guys like the Miyaos and say "just pull guard" but in reality, at least in smaller comps, takedowns do matter. Landing a good takedown means you end up in a favorable position to your opponent. I know my double legs have helped me win matches.
Also, the second part is also untrue. I'm not really good at judo but its not that difficult to takedown an untrained person. Also, judo is great at teaching you basics like break falling etc. which is crucial in a street situation.
It's hard to takedown someone who is trying to pull guard.
And I don't give a damn about taking down untrained people.
Roger Gracie's HQ teaches both. I never tried the judo class though.
Budokwai in London also teaches both but the BJJ class is not as popular as the Judo class. However they are taught by a blackbelt in Judo and BJJ in Ray Stevens. I haven't tried the bjj in Budokwai though.
I am the owner of Powersource MMA in Flossmoor, IL. I am a certified sandan in Judo with USJI and a Carlson Gracie Jr BB. I also teach at Carlson Gracie Chicago HQ. In my school, Judo and BJJ is one program, I created my own curriculum for each belt level that includes stand up judo techniques with ground Bjj. I grade students on both arts at no extra cost. Students can wear any uniform, but they have to wear their belt in accord to their uniforms to avoid confusion about their grades. I have also graded some students at Carlson Gracie Chicago who started participating in Judo competitions. There are a lot interest in Judo and I have a hand full of BB taking classes (including private) with me. Every Friday nights, I teach a Judo for BJJ class, free for everyone around regardless of teams, who wants to learn Judo techniques specific for BJJ.
I'd say it is hard to take down someone who is falling on his own.
If you fight against reasonable judoka my bets that he will win the grip fight and get the grip he wants on you. Then he will either get a high grip (shoulder and collar) and break your posture so you cannot jump forward and up, or get a low grip (belt and collar) and control your hips. Once you try pulling the guard you will put yourself into disadvantage.
Of course! Only judokas have to worry about that
See, that's exactly how it should be. Your gym sounds awesome.
Much truth in this post.
It's rare that guys have enough free time and healing capacity to train both at meaningful intensity. I've seen it done, but it is extremely tough and largely limited to young guys whose lives revolve around grappling + have great physical recovery. Both arts are simply too hard to learn unless you really go balls-out on your training intensity and consistency.
Much more common is to train in sequence at full intensity, where you devote your training to one and then later the other. Xande recommends that you spend two years training straight judo if you want to develop judo proficiency for BJJ.
Yamasaki's Springfield Virginia location merged with the SportJudo club a couple of years ago, so we have very active judo and BJJ clubs at the same location. Both clubs have members that cross-train a bit but for the most part since they were both long-established clubs they are still essentially separate clubs that are each focused on their own sport for its own sake (and not just judo-for-BJJ). Both clubs also have classes at the Woodbridge location now too.
Team Maryland BJJ in Baltimore also has strong judo and BJJ programs.
Sanctuary BJJ in Lakewood, CO is high level for both BJJ (really good BB instructor) and judo (former Olympian instructor).
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