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Are some fighters THAT much less injury prone? Or are they just more willing to fight injured?

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  1. legkicktko Only the Strong Survive

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    I was thinking about this earlier. You get some guys who pull out of a lot of fights. For a long time, this was Khabib although he redeemed himself through his dominant years. Other guys that come to mind are Pettis, Jose Aldo, Luke Rockhold, Dom, etc.

    Yet you have other guys like Jim Miller who had over 30 UFC fights having not pulled out before. He's not a highly ranked guy, but he's been a low-mid tier action hero for quite a while and also fought Lyme disease and still never pulled out.

    Donald Cerrone (first fight pulled out was way late in his career and forced by UFC). Donald is the king of anytime, anywhere, and was a violent finisher in the many bloodbaths in his prime.

    Edson Barboza has 25 violent fights and has never once pulled out of a contest or postponed a fight.

    I know guys get injured more than others. However, despite that being a fact, don't you think it's probably in conjunction with willingness to fight injured? Without knowing for a fact, it seems like based on history, a guy like Anthony Pettis is just not willing to fight injured under any circumstance. Could that be the simple explanation for the pull outs?
     
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  2. SokoudjouFanboy 39 tried, just 19 succeeded

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    Little from column A, little from column B.
     
  3. thobra Red Belt

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    It is the same as in any workplace. Some guys stay in bed if they have a small fever or feel a little off. Others show up no matter what.

    Imagine if the unions got What they wanted, and guys would get paid anyway…
     
  4. Masturbin Porn Addict

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    I have a story about Cain while I was training at Aka.
    It was during the time he was HW champ (before the JDS trilogy) and yeah the vibe at the gym was way different back then (in a good way)
    It was monday,hard sparing day, I am not as big as him but since I only spoke spanish at the time they put me with Cain.
    He went easy on me during sparring but I tried to land a punch on him and I don't really know how but our heads clashed. He was pretty mad at me and tried to ankle pick me (looking back I think he just wanted humiliate me in front of everyone)
    He hurt his back reaching down and went unconcious. I tried to do Cpr on him but broke his ribs.


    Haven't seen him training since.
     
  5. Sweater of AV Gold Belt

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    It's definitely a combination of both. There are some guys who just never get injured badly and others who often do. Some have an extremely high pain tolerance and are able to work with injuries better than others.
     
  6. TempleoftheDog Yellow Card Yellow Card

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    Impossible to answer as a general rule. But, some people are just tougher. Or maybe too tough for their own good. And some are quite brittle as well.

    In pretty much most sports they say “You’re never 100%”. And while that’s mostly true, imo. You shouldn’t be fighting if you have a serious injury. Not when wins and losses can mean so much.

    It’s the guys that come out with the excuses after they lose that bother me. Conor is a great example here.
     
  7. Oedad Green Belt

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    In terms of actual injuries that limit your physical ability to perform. Some people have weaker ligaments, tendons, or bones and are thus more prone to injury than others. In the NFL you see great QBs who have 3-4 knee ligament tears by the time they are 25, or u see a linebacker who is prone to concussions and starts taking them every few games until they have to retire. Other guys get cracked every play and never miss a beat or suffer one bad injury, recover, and never have the same problem again.

    Anyone can get hurt if they get hit hard enough or land the wrong way. The key is to look for dudes who keep suffering the same or similar type injuries over and over again. In MMA Weidman seems to constantly suffer muscular-skeletal type injuries and is undergoing surgery between almost every fight. He is clearly more prone to those types of injuries than other fighters.
     
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  8. Get To Da Choppa Black Belt

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    Their training camps matter too. Some gyms go too hard that leads to more injuries. I believe AKA was known for that for a while. Plus when you put Sherdoggers in as their training partner like this Sherbro above, the fighters are bound to get hurt
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  9. Arnold Schwarzenword Orange Belt

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    I’m calling BS. There’s no way you learned to speak English this well so fast. Anyways, I hope Cain is all right.
     
  10. Arnold Schwarzenword Orange Belt

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    Not all gyms train alike. I remember training at xtreme couture in Chicago and they emphasized fighter safety especially when sparring. While training at Rufus sport in Milwaukee, their sparring days would sometimes resemble Chute Boxe And many of the unknown fighters were used as sparring dummies for the bigger names resulting in many more injuries.
     
  11. ferrisjso "Hipster"

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    He's typing English. Writing in a second language is considerably easier than speaking one. Then there's google translate.
     
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  12. Arnold Schwarzenword Orange Belt

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    Your sarcasm detector must be broken.
     
  13. ferrisjso "Hipster"

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    I guess it is:(
     
  14. RockyLockridge Silver Belt

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    combination of the two some fighters just fight injured they need the pay check
     
  15. IsNormal Brown Belt

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    There's absolutely an physical factor!

    I would bet that most of the fighters who never pull out have bodies which are "as good as it gets" in terms of joints etc.

    Others might have some body part which is "less than perfect". Myself for example - I've got bad shoulders. The bones around my shoulder joints are a little bit more "shallow" than the average person, so it doesn't take much force to semi-dislocate my shoulder.

    This can happen on a sliding scale - some people might have "pretty good" shoulders, so they don't fuck em up often, might go years before they notice - but then all of a sudden during a pretty average practice they dislocate.

    Of course the training matters a lot.
    Some gyms are just doing unsafe shit and get fighters injured.
    But if you have an imperfection around a joint - you might get injured doing stuff that was considered perfectly safe too.

    However, I'm certain some fighters are also way more willing to fight injured. Not discounting that.
     
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  16. G10 Green Belt

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    I think it comes down to the individual fighter. There are some OGs left like Robbie Lawler who seem to be willing to fight through any injury, whereas others insist on coming in as close to being 100% as possible or they won't come in.

    That being said, I do believe that a fighter's ability to train affectively while mitigating injuries and showing up on fight night in optimal condition is very underappreciated. I think it takes a considerable amount of skill to be able to push oneself to compete at the highest level without breaking oneself in the process.
     
  17. Boxingfan998 Green Belt

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    I think some fighters do get injured more, likely to do with the way they train in that gym.
    The guys that train very hard tend to get injured more (duh).
     
  18. Substance Abuse Beer Snob Moderator Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    I think something that's hard to quantify is the level and intensity of the training for each fighter, even down to positional coaches, rather than just gym or camp.

    Not everyone trains the same way or has the same coaches despite being in the same camps. That definitely has expedited the downfall of certain fighters or the end of primes prematurely when you mix in their genetics and overall health which is different from person to person.

    You can't tell me that Aldo breaking his foot, getting in a bike accident and training hard all those years at Nova Uniao didn't push him out of his prime quicker. The guy's reflexes offensively were starting to slow around the Lamas and KZ fights considerably from his early WEC run. Look at Shogun as well. Chute Box couldn't have helped.
     
  19. IsNormal Brown Belt

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    I appreciate the shoutout to fighters who pretty much never cancel a fight.
    I'm pretty sure they've fought injured a few times and pushed through it (but that's not saying that's something that's physically possible for everyone to do)

    To me the mere idea of fighting with any injury or illness (even a mild cold or fever) is pretty fucking amazing.
    When I get a mild cold I'm pretty much useless athletically. I can run for hours when healthy, but when I have a cold I can't run a minute without having to sit down.
    Which is why I never bash any fighter for bailing out due to sickness.
     
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