Social Are police too friendly with the proud boys?

tonni said:
So the cops will only do their duty if someone respects them? What page of the manual is that?
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I know you're a delusional leftist, but the hard reality is that all over the world, the hard-right often works hand in hand with police because they have the same objective (reduction of crime). It's a win-win situation because the hard-right wants more policing, and the police are out of resources. All that's usually required is transparent communication and no vigilantism from the right, only citizen's arrests.

The left on the other hand, abhors the police and sees it as Fascism. Like many say, many leftists want to defund the police, and no policing in certain areas. Here in Europe there used to be such zones like so called communes in Berlin and other cities, which turned into communist drug dens and high crime areas.
 
Sarge3000 said:
hard-right often works hand in hand with police because they have the same objective (reduction of crime).
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nhbbear said:
how do? Unless you buy into them being a terrorist or criminal organization. On the other side, people want to see police form relationships with gangs to head off violence , why not the pb?
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Because muh white supremacy. Derp.
 
KAZSoliloquy said:
i mean yeah that is literally in the job description. it’s not “protect and serve.... unless u get angry”
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Your avatar looks like something that should be kept outside the US border in a detention camp.
 
nhbbear said:
]https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/11/12/police-echoed-proud-boys-claim-black-lives-matter-members-stabbed-them/6228779002/

After a DC brawl involving proud boys and subjects marching with a blm protest, two members of the proud boys were stabbed.

This lead to accusations that police are overly friendly with the group.

What is the basis for this accusation? That police have done the following: drove members of the proud boys around after the stabbing into attempts to locate the suspects, that a police officer in Portland was seen shaking the hand of a proud boy, that police gave the group an escort through the area of a protest. I will show that these actions are not out of traditional police actions.

The first one-it is not uncommon at all to drive witnesses or victims around to attempt to locate and identify suspects. While it is better for the case to locate the suspect snd transport them to the area of the witness, however, it situations where there may be many suspects or there is a large amount of ground to cover or unsafe conditions in which the victim would be placed in (say, the area of the crime is unsafe) it is not uncommon to take the witness with police as they canvas the area. Debunked.

Second, police seen shaking hands of a proud boy. So what? A police officer getting screamed at by one side and often dodging things thrown at them, someone coming up and supporting the officer is a welcome interaction. I have seen police shaking hands with blm as well. I have had hundreds of people thank me for my service with a handshake over the years, and in fact, had a guy installing appliances in my new house thank me for being a cop upon learning of my precious career. So shaking hands of a supporter is not uncommon. Debunked.

Third, the escort out of protest area. Duh. Getting subjects likely to be involved in fights is not uncommon. Police have escorted kkk and other hated groups out of an area or provided protection for such groups. I have personally escorted snd provided security for the westboro Baptist church when they came to town because of how much they are hated even though I despise them. Debunked.

I appreciate that someone is willing to step up and face off with anqueefa since they are basically a violent and destructive terrorist group. I think they are douchey as hell and I am not a supporter per se, but the enemy of my enemy, while not my friend, are at least not my enemy.

Here are more articles, so it must be true:https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-d...-philadelphia-police-and-far-right-proud-boys
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Are those stabbing the stabbing of Enrique and that Lady?
 
CubicleGangster said:
That isn't a double standard at all. The police have more power and responsibility than those they police, they absolutely should be held to a higher standard than a regular citizen.
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Neither of us said they shouldn't be. Its inherent in their job because they have lethal weapons. That doesnt change the lefts hypocrisy here.
 
From my experience, if you treat an officer like a human being, they are pretty chill.

I guess throwing bricks and urine on them, or trying to stab or shoot them tends to rankle them a little. Best not do that.
 
CubicleGangster said:
I don't think you agree at all. Your post I responded made it seem very clear you think its unfair cops are held to a different standard. I am firmly in the fuck looters and rioters camp, but I'll never be ok with cops lowering themselves to that level. They are suppose to act better so I will expect better from them.
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In most cases if you act like a scumbag, then you are going to get treated like a scumbag. It is the circle of life.
 
Handsome Bruce said:
In most cases if you act like a scumbag, then you are going to get treated like a scumbag. It is the circle of life.
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And I would prefer officers be above this type of nonsense, but like I said in my initial post that I understand. Cops are humans, after all.
 
moosaev said:
Not true at all, the proud boys are in almost every case the instigators, its their ethos and reason for existence to stir the pot. They go out of their way to agitate and provoke which leads to brawls and a general break down in order. On the other hand clearly peaceful protesters get their heads cracked by the police simply because they're on the left. Police are majority right wing assholes, its no mystery. They're taking care of their own.
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If the protesters are so peaceful and honorable, then it shouldn't be so easy to provoke them into acts of violence and destruction. The reality is that the majority of the people taking to the streets are looking for nothing but trouble.
 
moosaev said:
The police extend courtesies to the proud boys that they do not come close to extending to leftist protesters. With leftists they go out of their way to look for any excuse to give them the business. The contrast is pretty stark.

I'm not saying police should start treating proud boys like shit, but they should extend the same courtesy to leftist protesters. But they're clearly playing favorites, there is zero doubt about that.
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If the proud boys started throwing stuff or being hostile like the left things would change
 
CubicleGangster said:
And I would prefer officers be above this type of nonsense, but like I said in my initial post that I understand. Cops are humans, after all.
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Exactly! Humans are not machines. They are irrational, dramatic, emotional, unpredictable and very prone to error. When you factor in the human element and the extreme pressure of the job, the expectation on cops to be non-violent in extreme circumstances is far too high and unreasonable.
 
Handsome Bruce said:
Exactly! Humans are not machines. They are irrational, dramatic, emotional, unpredictable and very prone to error. When you factor in the human element and the extreme pressure of the job, the expectation on cops to be non-violent in extreme circumstances is far too high and unreasonable. It is incredible how many cops keep their cool when they have a bunch of shit-stains screaming in their face and spitting on them for hours on end during the "mostly peaceful" protests.
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I don't fully agree, the expectation on them is fair and there for a reason
 
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