Are people forgetting that the UFC, Novitzky and Jones said that...

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  1. cevo

    cevo Red Belt

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    If the "pulsing" theory is correct, Jon might fail again in the coming months. That would be hilarious.
     
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  3. felmmando

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    If it is inaccurate now, it was inaccurate when they told him so that there was no way the drugs could linger in his system more than six months.

    Just to be clear, the issue Mir raised was that they wouldn't test supplements he had taken more than six months before to see if they were tainted.

    It is possible that Mir is making excuses, although I'd feel more confident if USADA would respond to what he said.
    It is also possible, even probable, that some fighters who take drugs aren't caught, but any individual who tests clean deserves the benefit of the doubt.
     
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    IngaVovchanchyn Titanium Belt Platinum Member

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    If true, then how can we be certain whether any failed test isn't just pulsing from a previous incident years prior?
     
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    The fight was so easy it didnt even make Jon pulse again
     
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    I'm pretty sure these would be easily detected if they were in Jon's body.
     
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    that was what was thought at the time. even the author of the study that said 50-60 days now says 6 months or more. fact is, there's actually no reliable studies. again, the ufc is peddling what the experts are confirming is possible.
     
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    maybe for this metabolite you can't, assuming there are no other flags or notable changes.

    but under random testing it's pretty difficult to use and ensure you're always only showing for traces of the same metabolite.
     
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    If there are no reliable studies, it sounds like they treat fighters capriciously. How did these experts discover the drug could linger for years just in time to exempt Jones without any reliable studies?
     
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    So why did Mir get suspended when turinabol metabolites were found in his system?
     
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    On Rogans podcast Novitsky said it could remain in his system “potentially forever”. He honestly said that.
     
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    there have been other athletes who have also had similar circumstances. look up grant dawson and cody stanley.

    jones case is relatively unique. few have had similar circumstances, and the most obvious parallel is cody stanley and that one i feel bad for the athlete.
     
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    same reason jones got suspended in 2017 for metabolites in his system.
     
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    How do you figure that? A lot can change in over a year and a half since that article was written. What they thought was the window of detection then might not be the same with current technology. A lot of this is so new they don't really know. There hasn't been a lot of long-term tests done on Turinabol in humans.



    Yes, that's what he claims NOW after this latest Jones case. Again, that article was written over a year and a half ago and lists all Mir's various excuses and mentions the guy from USADA saying Mir never asked them to retest old samples.



    The point is Mir's trying to compare his situation to Jones current one and it isn't the same. Mir's situation was comparble to Jones the first time and both got suspended. If Mir was still in the UFC and got popped again for a metabolite of Turinabol, then his situation would be the same as Jones current one. Since he's been fighting in Bellator, he's no longer under USADA at all.

    I've been saying for a long time that the UFC is now a promotion where it's not enough to be the best in the cage. You have to also be the best at beating the drug testing. I believe Jones doped at some point and since he got caught he had to be punished. Just like Mir was. They have to punish those who are caught to maintain the illusion that everyone else is clean.
     
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    This is NUTS!
     
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    He's between pulses, man. Even with your pulse, there are breaks. Not just one long pulsation.
    We'll have to wait until his next fight to find out. There's no reason to think that the UFC and Novitsky, USADA will cover for him if he is dirty. So I'm sure they'll tell us everything if something is amiss.

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    Why would usada and smrtl experts lie for jon jones? And why hasn’t a single expert in the field called bullshit?
     
  18. felmmando

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    Thanks. An article on Stanley did strike me as a useful reference point for the Jones case:

    https://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story...ped-suspension-turinabol-ken-rosenthal-070916

    "Who would be stupid enough to take the same steroid again?" Stanley asked, referring to his repeated positive tests. "You’d have to be an absolute idiot."

    Like Jones has proven to be.

    "Stanley said that his first two positive tests for Turinabol were on July 18 and 25 of last season. Baseball treated them as one violation, believing they came from the same alleged use."

    It's much more reasonable when the tests are a week apart than when they're 18 months apart.

    "Testing for Turinabol, a steroid used by East German athletes in the 1970s, improved about two years ago, allowing researchers to detect metabolites that stayed in the body several weeks and in rare cases months, according to an ESPN report in May."

    If the cases where they linger for months are rare, Jones is truly an outlier with his seven years.
     
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    What's funny is he could probably test positive for MORE picograms and they will just say he's pulsing. As chael said, they always test in picograms. That's how they catch people. If you're testing positive for nanograms that means the drug is still currently active in your system.
     
  20. kflo

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    There is no 7 years......
     

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