Are Koreans the best Asian fighters?

[Hardkore]

Both of Akiyama's parents are Korean, even though he was born and grew up in Japan

I don't identify him as Korean, he lost that when he took the Japanese flag and repped them in the Olympics.

 

[Hardkore]

One exception doesn't disprove his point. What is Fujita's record nowadays? Also, LOL at your example being a loss.



I made a second post along the same lines.

You would be correct, sir

 

[KhabibTheBeagle]

Dong Hyun Kim, Chan Sung Jung, Doo Ho Choi.

They've got some great fighters, no doubt.

 

[Hardkore]

The right weight class = fighting two classes lighter then you are supposed to be

Unfortunately, that's how it is in mma and most combat sports nowdays.

 

[Hardkore]

I agree with all of this, but I wasn't talking about training, I was talking about where the Sexy came from.

But back to your point, I believe that is why Asia hasn't made as big a splash in MMA these days. Western fighters cut huge amounts of weight and train with Olympians and BJJ world champs. Asian fighters seem to do most of their training in house. A guy like DHK could go really far if he joined a top team.

Compete agreement, they need to crosstrain more:

 

[Bacco]

They tend to be leaner/taller than japanese, wich work well with western MMA weight cut culture

 

[leto1776]

LOL at weight cutting holding down JMMA. What a ridiculous myth. Japan is a powerhouse in international wrestling, judo, and boxing. You think they don't know how to cut?

The MMA scene in Japan is dead and has been for years. That is why they aren't producing quality fighters. It has nothing to with a lack of talented Japanese athletes.

People that say this tend to think that Pride and Dream were the be-all and end-all of mma in Japan, when they weren't. With a few exceptions, Japanese fighters didn't even do all that well in Pride.

the core of Japanese MMA has always been organizations like Shooto, Deep and Pancrase holding events in smaller, more intimate venues like Korakuen Hall, and guess what? They still do.

 

[Hardkore]

They tend to be leaner/taller than japanese, wich work well with western MMA weight cut culture

Diet is a huge part of it, Koreans eat more meat and dairy nowdays. I'm 5'9 which is average height, but the younger generation is getting more taller with bigger frames.

 

[mushishi]

i do not recognize the illegal annexation of hawaii, you colonial racist fuck

but ur AV just reminded me that Lyoto is Asian too so maybe the Japanese are better???
Even Robbie Lawler is Asian

Your troll game is weak, son.

 

[KhabibTheBeagle]

Why do you say this? I dont know much about Chinese MMA, I remember a chinese guy in the UFC at one point, big Power but he got KO'd bad himself.

Anyone remember his name? Lighweight, bald dude.

Jiangling Li?

 

[SmilinDesperado]

Diet is a huge part of it, Koreans eat more meat and dairy nowdays. I'm 5'9 which is average height, but the younger generation is getting more taller with bigger frames.

Yep. The "asians are short" meme doesn't apply in Korea. There are plenty of tall ass guys and girls here.

 

[Hardkore]

Yep. The "asians are short" meme doesn't apply in Korea. There are plenty of tall ass guys and girls here.

Met some family (cousins, nephews, and nieces) from the homeland and I was shocked how tall they were.

 

[TheGZA]

One exception doesn't disprove his point. What is Fujita's record nowadays? Also, LOL at your example being a loss.

The narrative that's always repeated in these threads is that the Japanese can't compete because they are naturally weak/small/nonathletic. It is then suggested that they could be competitive if they were better at weight cutting(?) but that they don't due to either an ignorance of cutting technique, or an unwillingness to cut due to honor or Bushido or some other weeaboo fantasy nonsense.

My point is that Japan produces many high-level combat sport athletes. The lack of MMA success has nothing to do with some innate deficiency of the Japanese people and everything to do with the lack of MMA in Japan.

Have you watched Shooto or Pancrase recently? Their events are being held in high-school auditoriums in front of a few dozen fans. The biggest Japanese orgs are essentially small regional shows.

 

[Headkicktoleg]

Adding "Korean" before any nickname makes you sound awesome.

Korean Zombie
Korean Superboy
Korean Bulldozer

Agreed a guy at our gym is the Korean Honeybadger

 

[leto1776]

The narrative that's always repeated in these threads is that the Japanese can't compete because they are naturally weak/small/nonathletic. It is then suggested that they could be competitive if they were better at weight cutting(?) but that they don't due to either an ignorance of cutting technique, or an unwillingness to cut due to honor or Bushido or some other weeaboo fantasy nonsense.

My point is that Japan produces many high-level combat sport athletes. The lack of MMA success has nothing to do with some innate deficiency of the Japanese people and everything to do with the lack of MMA in Japan.

Have you watched Shooto or Pancrase recently? Their events are being held in high-school auditoriums in front of a few dozen fans. The biggest Japanese orgs are essentially small regional shows.

Green: They've been like that pretty much always, with some exceptions. Korakuen is the biggest place any of those organizations have ever been to with any regularity. Those organizations are still putting on events regularl. MMA is not dead in Japan. They just don't have a big organization paying them to go in and get killed against foreigners anymore.

Red: So is any organization that's not UFC or Bellator.

 

[Bboy]

I say the weight cut definitely is one thing that is helping the Koreans. Also just physically as a nation they seem to be getting bigger. Probably how they train too. The very few Japanese fighters doing consistently well in the UFC are the ones cutting weight. Takeya Mizugaki, Kyoji Horiguchi, and Tatsuya Kawajiri. Yuta Sasaki could turn into a contender too with his recent drop to flyweight.

 

[TKOFighter]

BJ Penn is also Asian

LOL dude learn about America's ethnic divisions.

Native Hawaiian Polynesian Islanders aren't classified as Asians.

He means because BJ Penn's mom is of Korean descent, which makes BJ Penn part Korean. It has nothing to do with islanders. If he was going by "American ethnic" divisions, BJ Penn would be counted as Caucasian/White through his father, and Asian from his mother lol

But he is part Korean

Just wanted to add that America's ethnic divisions are misleading as hell though.
It's looking at ethnicity/race from an America centric perspective ie. Asian supposedly encompassing that huge swath of a hundred or so cultures in the far East.

Yes, this is what people don't understand. Being from Hawaii can be a state affiliation, just like calling someone a Californian or Texan. BJ Penn doesn't even have Polynesian/Native Hawaiin heritage.

Hawaii in fact is the only U.S. state where majority of the population is of Asian descent. BJ Penn's mother isn't Polynesian.

 

[CrimsonFan]

Forgot about him, I think Dong Hyum Kim (WW) has a lot of potential but has been fighting crazy as of late lol

Yeah he used to be so technical and dominant with his wrestling game.. What happened? I thought he was a future champ a couple years ago

 

[Bjjpitbull8]

Is that racist?

 

[Which Doctor]

caucasian

So much cauc.