Are Capitalism and women's nature in conflict ?

When the original point is that there's some supremely finite amount of billionaires, yes, anecdotal evidence is a significant proportion of that cohort and provides insight that runs counter to your point.

I'll repeat myself: the ultra wealthy are not wed to a single country or banking system, making it extremely difficult to understand the extent and location of hoarded resources, whether just for pure tax evasion or to hide lobbying/market rigging behaviors.
Hang out with a lot of billionaires, do you? Your fake claim 2 posts ago was that these are people you know, then you went on to describe Billy Madison. Lol, you made a claim, it was demonstrably false, now you've gotten lost having to walk it back and pretend you were talking about something else.

Most of us consider millionaires to be "rich", but now your threshold for "rich" is billionaire? Ok fine, how many people are you pretending inherited billions of dollars? The top 5 richest people in the US are Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Mark Zuckerberg and Larry Ellison. Which of them inherited billions of dollars?

From the Forbes 400 list, only 16% inherited their wealth(none in the top 10), another 16% did have a smaller inheritance that they grew, and the other nearly 70% of the 400 richest people in the country are completely self-made. That kind of shoots down your little theory about "the man" holding you down.

You don't even know what you're talking about anymore. This is stemming from your ridiculous claim that "most people's wealth doesn't come down to successful businesses, but by inheritance", and "the most common way to get rich is by inheritance". That is straight up not true no matter how move the goal post, and it's a delusion that only poor people have that everything is rigged against them and they can't get ahead no matter what they do and everyone who's not poor either got it dishonestly, stole it from someone else or inherited it, and that's just not the case no matter what shifting standard you'd like to use.

Be sure he will reply to this with some anecdotal evidence. That we can't count billionaires as they are hidden in some off shore holding.
 
Be sure he will reply to this with some anecdotal evidence. That we can't count billionaires as they are hidden in some off shore holding.
If you're claiming 567 billionaires and I can point to knowing one; that's a measurable amount of a cohort.
I realize numbers must be hard for your little brain as it retreats to troll attack mode. Woof woof doggy. Time for a GIF maybe?
 
Are you confused? I am the one who knows/knew the billionaire (and probably at least a handful of people worth 100+ mil).
And when I say billionaire I'm not basing that off them having some nice house. I've literally flown on private jets to this person's megayacht that can be googled, had them drop a grand to let me ski with them at their chalet type bullshit.

Where are you getting your "self made" criteria from btw? Magazine have been promoting Kylie Jenner as self made for her cosmetics line lol.
The other Poster also claims he knows a bunch of "borderline retarded" billionaires who apparently inherited all of it, don't know anything about money or work and somehow they keep getting richer. Apparently billionaires just love hanging out with 6'6, 260 lbs ripped sherdoggers who bang 10s nonstop.

Self-made means not inherited. Would have thought that was obvious.
 
If you're claiming 567 billionaires and I can point to knowing one; that's a measurable amount of a cohort.
I realize numbers must be hard for your little brain as it retreats to troll attack mode. Woof woof doggy. Time for a GIF maybe?

You been attacking people from the start, just because you have been invited to ski by a billionaire lol while Nostra provided numbers to disprove your points.

And I'm the troll?
 
The other Poster also claims he knows a bunch of "borderline retarded" billionaires who apparently inherited all of it, don't know anything about money or work and somehow they keep getting richer. Apparently billionaires just love hanging out with 6'6, 260 lbs ripped sherdoggers who bang 10s nonstop.

Self-made means not inherited. Would have thought that was obvious.
So literally having nothing to do with how the money was made or who actually created the value, just that they own it after not owning it at birth, got it.

It's really not that hard: I know some really rich shits because I was born into a level of relative wealth/social class of an insulated world and am relaying my experience seeing how wealth and success transfers among that group through funding and opportunity.
I happen to detest the sociocultural aspects, which is why I spend my quarantine on sherdog on daytrading stocks and not working for an i-bank or running some patriarchal business. If those were my desires, the chance of me winning that game would far outstrip an equal or smarter person who grew up in Nebraska working at a Casey's.

It's actually quite believable that someone who knows a billionaire would also know other wealthy or connected people. Cause that's the point being made: that these circles are insular and their success retains incredible inertia. If not coming from that upper class cohort, success looks a whole lot different because it's an exceptional and often times publicized event. Whereas the richest dudes I know don't show their wealth until you're inside their compound or can grasp the scope of the industries they operate. These folks are setting up their families to have continual tax-evasive wealth for hundreds of years.
 
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Sherbros and Shergals: Women, historically, have shunned away from the ideals of rugged Capitalism, choosing instead a more egalitarian approach which has seen more women then ever supporting (what they think) is socialism. It doesn't matter how many bodies the Bolsheviks and Stalin and Mao buried - what matters is the idea of equality.

Equality of what, you ask; equality of results, NOT OPPORTUNITY.
From my observations and discussions throughout the years, it seems to be that women, for the most part, don't think like men; we are wired differently in how we see the world, our purpose. Our views on nationalism, patriotism, etc .... seem genetically in conflict.

The 19th Amendment - which gave women the right to vote - has been instrumental in leftist, progressive, more social based policies being pushed to the forefront.

Capitalism is about freedom and survival of the fittest.
Socialism is about the idea of the collective good.
Women by nature will vote for security over freedom; it's in their genes.

What say you ?

Im liberal and don’t know a single woman who would support socialism as you’ve defined it.
 
Our Michigan Gov Whitmer has proven she loves every major telecom, since she has took over our state like a dictator, yet still refuses to provide broadband to the millions of rural Michigan families, locking us out of education, healthcare, and updated news.
How is a governor going to do that? Is she personally going to dig millions of miles of pipe at $25k a mile? I work in telecom and if you want anyone to blame blame the market and technology. It is Not feasible in rural America to pipe to every house. It costs 25k to pipe a mile let's say to one person's house. At $100 a month charge and maybe $20 a month in profit it would take 1250 months to recoup investment or longer than your life expectancy so that's just not going to happen. Wait for satellite or move to a city if you want internet cheap
 
Sure it is, the businesses that provide the best products and services for the cheapest generally survive and thrive while the others fall by the wayside.

Not true. Monopolies and monopsonies being the most obvious exceptions and both are so easy to pull off that we have to have laws preventing them.
 
You completely missed the point. You don't have to be fitter at the acquisition of resources if you have a huge amount of wealth already, because there is a systematic unbalance that will help you amass more wealth by basically doing nothing. As I've said, I've met borderline retarded people in my life that inherited big money. They don't bother with things like money, they are basically sitting on their hands trying not to destroy anything. They are unfit by any definition of the word, yet they will raise their net worth more than anybody busting his ass and actually being a good businessman that doesn't get extremely lucky by some coincidence. There are entry levels to illustrious club of century old money nobility.

So you see, it's really not "survival of the fittest", no matter how you look at it. That's just the idea rich people managed to implant into the usual gullible citizen so they believe today iteration of capitalism is a meritocracy or based on the actual marketplace of goods. It isn't. The most common way people get rich is by inheritance, which means that most of that money stops circulating and concentrates on few individuals, which is inherently bad for any economy as described by the consumption equation.

Translation: I'm not rich so something must be wrong with the system
 
My god this is bad, but let's give it a go.

Sherbros and Shergals: Women, historically, have shunned away from the ideals of rugged Capitalism
Yeah, it's almost like tens of thousands of years of women being mass raped by whichever faction happened to have more/stronger warriors (survival of the fittest) has contributed to women possibly having a slightly more egalitarian moral compass in the aggregate, which is a good thing.
, choosing instead a more egalitarian approach which has seen more women then ever supporting (what they think) is socialism. It doesn't matter how many bodies the Bolsheviks and Stalin and Mao buried - what matters is the idea of equality.
Yeah, survival of the fittest certainly never killed anyone. :rolleyes:
Equality of what, you ask; equality of results, NOT OPPORTUNITY.
This is far-right fever dream nonsense that is repeated ad nauseam by the likes of Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson. There is virtually no evidence to support the idea that the left as a collective political entity wants to take away opportunity from the entirety of society and literally equalize the economic strata.

From my observations and discussions throughout the years, it seems to be that women, for the most part, don't think like men; we are wired differently in how we see the world, our purpose. Our views on nationalism, patriotism, etc .... seem genetically in conflict.
Yikes.
The 19th Amendment - which gave women the right to vote - has been instrumental in leftist, progressive, more social based policies being pushed to the forefront.
Double yikes.
Capitalism is about freedom and survival of the fittest.
Socialism is about the idea of the collective good.
Women by nature will vote for security over freedom; it's in their genes.

What say you ?

Whats good for the individual is good for the collective, and whats good for the collective is good for the individual. That the right seems fundamentally incapable of this very basic realization seems to be the basis for the dogshit political ideology and policy proposals.

You are not 'better off' in an extreme "rugged individualist" society where vast amounts of wealth are being extracted from the general population and funneled to a tiny elite. Your communities are made weaker, your schools get shittier, your homelessness goes up, drug addiction goes up, suicide goes up, crime goes up.

Right wingers act like they live in some bizarre simulation of a vacuum where only they exist. Human beings all exist in relationship to one another. When the extreme negatives of capitalism come home to roost and pillage and loot your community, neighborhood, city, town, state or your nation, you are not made better off.

Capitalism - Unregulated predatory parasitic pharmaceutical companies flooding the markets with low cost highly addictive opioids that ravage the nation, bringing communities from the Atlantic to the Pacific to their knees

Also Capitalism - "hey let's make extremely overpriced drug treatment facilities to extract even more money from a highly vulnerable demographic of people that desperately need real help and treatment"

End result - the degradation, weakening, worsening of entire cities and states. Junkies living on your streets en masse.

"Socialism" - Free needle exchange programs. Free housing to get drug addicts off the street. Free addiction treatment and counseling. Free medical care.

End result - Drug addicts are rehabilitated and reintroduced to society and become good law abiding taxpayers. Many will return to the addiction community to uplift and help them, like they were helped. They will have a new lease on life without hundreds of thousands of dollars in crippling debt from their treatment and medical care.

Last word - your take on masculinity is incredibly reductive and frankly fuckin' retarded. I see men as defenders and guardians of their community, of their people. If you are working class, that means your fellow members of the working class. If you're a poor minority, that means standing up for the communities of poor minorities.

Right wingers think of men as only guardians of their wife and kids. Blasted out in fully armored tactical gear, with a stockpile of ammunition, a bug out vehicle and a secret compound, where he's ready to kill and eat his next door neighbors at the slightest sign of hardship. Basically this -

 
Self-made means not inherited. Would have thought that was obvious.
Depends on what you mean by self made; Forbes called Kylie Jenner a "self made" billionaire. I think that's the type of person he was referring to; someone who was already born into wealth and inherited massive advantages due to circumstances of their birth rather than their own hard work.
 
This is just silly.

My wife is a Democrat, she’s against socialized healthcare. I’m a Republican, I think it is inevitable we will end up there.
I hope you're very wrong. We are far better resourced than those Socialized systems. There is a better way than socialized medicine.

There are a lot of women who are pro free market/Capitalism.
 
I hope you're very wrong. We are far better resourced than those Socialized systems. There is a better way than socialized medicine.

There are a lot of women who are pro free market/Capitalism.


Listen, I’m a partisan Republican. I see my side yelling tax cuts during healthcare discussions and I am thinking, we don’t even know how to fight this battle let alone win it.

I hope I’m wrong, but as of now, it’s clear they have no plan.


FWIW, my wife sees government disfunction daily, hence her not wanting the government in charge of her healthcare.
 
There are 540 bilionares in US, I think his point makes more sense than yours. Yes some families amast wealth effortlessly but its a minority and does not mean that their money won´t change hands with time. Take the biggest companies in the world today, mostly tech, they were all self made people.
America is definitely better than many parts of the world when it comes to the dominance of old money. Look at the top 500 richest people in the world and American billionaires come from all industries from oil to tech to media and so on. Meanwhile Latin American billionaires are mostly from landed elite families with the only difference being which crop or livestock they specialize in.

But America does have something of an upward mobility problem, even compared to itself in the past. Sure there are self made billionaires but they're usually from the upper middle class at least so they already have a good wealth base to start from. Lots of families that are poor in America stay poor.
 
America is definitely better than many parts of the world when it comes to the dominance of old money. Look at the top 500 richest people in the world and American billionaires come from all industries from oil to tech to media and so on. Meanwhile Latin American billionaires are mostly from landed elite families with the only difference being which crop or livestock they specialize in.

But America does have something of an upward mobility problem, even compared to itself in the past. Sure there are self made billionaires but they're usually from the upper middle class at least so they already have a good wealth base to start from. Lots of families that are poor in America stay poor.
It's one of those arguments that people make without really looking into the history.

Bill Gates didn't inherit millions, instead his well-to-do parents underwrote his initial projects until he could make his billions. Zuckerberg didn't inherit milions either, instead his well to do parents underwrote his initial projects until he could make his billions. BEzos didn't inherit billions, instead he borrowed $250k from his parents to help fund his project until he could make billions.

None of them inherited millions. All of them relied upon well-to-do parents to fund their projects.

But people will sit around and say "See, no inheritance there."

Now, if we're talking about the lower tier millionaires. The sub-$5 million, my house is my most valuable asset, crowd then yeah, they didn't inherit their wealth but they're not wealthy. They're well-to-do.
 
It's one of those arguments that people make without really looking into the history.

Bill Gates didn't inherit millions, instead his well-to-do parents underwrote his initial projects until he could make his billions. Zuckerberg didn't inherit milions either, instead his well to do parents underwrote his initial projects until he could make his billions. BEzos didn't inherit billions, instead he borrowed $250k from his parents to help fund his project until he could make billions.

None of them inherited millions. All of them relied upon well-to-do parents to fund their projects.

But people will sit around and say "See, no inheritance there."

Now, if we're talking about the lower tier millionaires. The sub-$5 million, my house is my most valuable asset, crowd then yeah, they didn't inherit their wealth but they're not wealthy. They're well-to-do.
You forgot the best example; Donald "small loan of $1 million" Trump.
 
Listen, I’m a partisan Republican. I see my side yelling tax cuts during healthcare discussions and I am thinking, we don’t even know how to fight this battle let alone win it.

I hope I’m wrong, but as of now, it’s clear they have no plan.


FWIW, my wife sees government dysfunction daily, hence her not wanting the government in charge of her healthcare.
It's because our politicians are largely bought and sold. There is definitely a way to reduce costs and maintain a free market delivery system. Our politicians won't do it because of the insurance lobby. That is where the most waste is occurring. It's a shame everyone has lost their testicles these days.
 
Wait. I thought the idea was that women were shallow and superficial gold diggers selling themselves for material goods. Which dumb argument are we using again?
 
Sherbros and Shergals: Women, historically, have shunned away from the ideals of rugged Capitalism, choosing instead a more egalitarian approach which has seen more women then ever supporting (what they think) is socialism. It doesn't matter how many bodies the Bolsheviks and Stalin and Mao buried - what matters is the idea of equality.

Equality of what, you ask; equality of results, NOT OPPORTUNITY.
From my observations and discussions throughout the years, it seems to be that women, for the most part, don't think like men; we are wired differently in how we see the world, our purpose. Our views on nationalism, patriotism, etc .... seem genetically in conflict.

The 19th Amendment - which gave women the right to vote - has been instrumental in leftist, progressive, more social based policies being pushed to the forefront.

Capitalism is about freedom and survival of the fittest.
Socialism is about the idea of the collective good.
Women by nature will vote for security over freedom; it's in their genes.

What say you ?

There is so much wrong with this post that I would have to spend a lot of time explaining why, and I'm pretty sure you wouldn't understand any of it anyway.
 
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