Are Canada and Australia actually controlled by England? Some people think so

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"What is happening in Canadian politics and what is the real agenda there", is a continuing exploration for me. Recently, I learned something I didn't know. Canada (and likely Australia) are still ruled by England, and very much behind the scenes.

Most Canadians would jump up and down saying that we gained independence in '67, because we got a new flag and changed the words of the National Anthem. We believe that any current references to, the 'Crown', are only symbolic and patronizing gestures of past ownership by England, but this is not true at all. England never lost its political control over Canada, and they are exercising control of our Government before our very eyes without media attention and without general awareness.

Remember in November of 2008, a 'vote of non-confidence' should have brought down the Harper Government and called for a new election under Parliamentary law? That new election was stopped by England, through their true ruler of Canada, the Governor-General, acting on behalf of the Monarch. There are many links and website to prove this and I shall leave a few below, but here is an excerpt from Wikipedia on Canada's Executive, Legislative and Judicial branches of Government.

The Crown is thus the foundation of the executive, legislative, and judicial branches of the Canadian government, as well as the kingpin of Canadian federalism. Though the monarch retains all executive, legislative, and judicial power in and over Canada, the Governor General is permitted to exercise most of this, including the Royal Prerogative, in the sovereign's name; some as outlined in the Constitution Act, 1867."

"The monarchy of Canada – also referred to as The Crown in Right of Canada, Her Majesty in Right of Canada, or The Queen in Right of Canada – is the constitutional system of government in which a hereditary monarch is the sovereign and head of state of Canada,[1][2][3] forming the core, or "the most basic building block,"[4] of the country's Westminster-style parliamentary democracy.

The Governor General alone is also constitutionally mandated to summon parliament. Beyond that, the viceroy carries out the other conventional parliamentary duties in the sovereign's absence, including reading the Speech From the Throne, and proroguing and dissolving parliament. The Governor General also grants Royal Assent in the Queen's name; legally, he or she has three options: grant Royal Assent (making the bill law), withhold Royal Assent (vetoing the bill), or reserve the bill for the signification of the Queen's pleasure (allowing the sovereign to personally grant or withhold assent).[54]
So here we see that the Monarchy can veto Canadian legislation, dissolve government or prorogate government (extend government without dissolving it), the later being what they did in December 2008 and what is rumored to be happening again by Harper. When Government prorogation happens, all pending Bills and legislation die. Only this is not done by Harper as the Canadian media infers, it is done by England and, 'to what agenda', is the question I'd like to leave before this group.




Australia operates the same exact way.



This is just fascinating to me. I had no idea that the Monarch of England had so much influence over these two nations (to this day). I was also shocked to learn that the Prime Minister of Canada is APPOINTED by the Governor General and that the Governor General is ALWAYS someone the Monarch of England approves of. The same exact thing is the case for Australia.



Thoughts?
 
Can't speak for Canada, but that's officially not been the case in Australia since the Australia Act of 1986 (and effectively the case for much longer than that... we just never got around to writing it down).
 
The empire is unofficial, but there are little clues everywhere that many nations are ruled centrally.

Here is one



I would call Australia and Canada 'semi autonomous'

I think the US and Canada fall under the same umbrella as well though
 
But the Australia act of 1986 does NOT undo anything I just said. The Governor General is STILL appointed by the Queen and the English Monarch STILL has tremendous influence over Australia just like it does over Canada. Also don't you find it interesting that your Prime Minister is PICKED by someone who is ALWAYS approved by the English Monarch?
 
But the Australia act of 1986 does NOT undo anything I just said. The Governor General is STILL appointed by the Queen and the English Monarch STILL has tremendous influence over Australia just like it does over Canada. Also don't you find it interesting that your Prime Minister is PICKED by someone who is ALWAYS approved by the English Monarch?

You are uninformed or deliberately disingenuous (as always).
The selection of the Governor General is the responsibility of the Prime Minister, and the Australia Act "eliminated the remaining possibilities for the UK to legislate with effect in Australia, for the UK to be involved in Australian government, and for an appeal from any Australian court to a British court".

Sad to say, but the US has more influence on Australia than the UK these days.
 
You are uninformed or deliberately disingenuous (as always).
The selection of the Governor General is the responsibility of the Prime Minister, and the Australia Act "eliminated the remaining possibilities for the UK to legislate with effect in Australia, for the UK to be involved in Australian government, and for an appeal from any Australian court to a British court".

Sad to say, but the US has more influence on Australia than the UK these days.

Wait so the government is lying?

Can you explain this then?

http://www.gg.gov.au/governor-generals-role

The office of Governor-General was established by the Constitution of the Commonwealth of Australia in 1901.

The Governor-General is appointed by The Queen on the advice of the Prime Minister. After receiving the commission, the Governor-General takes an Oath of Allegiance and an Oath of Office to The Queen and issues a Proclamation assuming office.

The Governor-General’s appointment is at The Queen’s pleasure, that is, without a term being specified. In practice, however, there is an expectation that appointments will be for around five years, subject on occasion, to some extension.


However, there are some powers which the Governor-General may, in certain circumstances, exercise without – or contrary to – ministerial advice. These are known as the reserve powers. While the reserve powers are not codified as such, they are generally agreed to at least include:

The power to appoint a Prime Minister if an election has resulted in a ‘hung parliament’;
The power to dismiss a Prime Minister where he or she has lost the confidence of the Parliament;
The power to dismiss a Prime Minister or Minister when he or she is acting unlawfully; and
The power to refuse to dissolve the House of Representatives despite a request from the Prime Minister.

In addition, the Governor-General has a supervisory role to see that the processes of the Federal Executive Council are conducted lawfully and regularly.

In essence then, the Governor-General’s role is to protect the Constitution and to facilitate the work of the Commonwealth Parliament and Government. For example, before giving assent to legislation, the Governor-General must be satisfied that the proposed law has passed both Houses of Parliament and that the necessary certification from the Attorney-General has been obtained.

In summary, the Governor-General has many important constitutional, ceremonial and community duties to perform. For example, the Governor-General:

dissolves the Parliament and issues writs for new elections;
commissions the Prime Minister and appoints other Ministers after elections;

gives assent to laws when they have been passed by the two Houses of Parliament – the Senate and the House of Representatives**;
acts on the advice of Ministers through the Executive Council to issue regulations and proclamations under existing laws; to appoint Federal Judges; to appoint Australian Ambassadors and High Commissioners to foreign countries, to appoint other senior Government officials; to establish Royal Commissions of Inquiry; and other matters, as required by particular legislation;
authorises many other executive decisions by Ministers such as approving treaties with foreign governments.

Under Section 68 of the Constitution, the Governor-General is also the Commander-in-Chief of the Australian Defence Force, although in practice he or she acts only on the advice of Ministers of the Government. The Minister for Defence is responsible for Australia’s defence policy.

The day-to-day administration and operation of the services are under the command of the Chief of the Defence Force and his officers. Through the Executive Council, the Governor-General:

appoints the Chief of the Defence Force and the Chiefs of the three Armed Services; and
commissions officers in the Royal Australian Navy, the Australian Army and the Royal Australian Air Force.


As Commander-in-Chief, the Governor-General has an important ceremonial role to play. He or she attends military parades and special occasions such as ANZAC Day and Remembrance Day, and presents Colours and other insignia to units of the Australian Defence Force.***

There are many other duties performed by the Governor-General. For example, he or she:

receives and entertains visiting Heads of State, Heads of Government and other prominent visitors to Australia;
opens new sessions of the Commonwealth Parliament;
receives the credentials of Ambassadors and most High Commissioners appointed to represent their countries in Australia;
conducts Investitures at which people receive Awards under the Australian Honours system for notable service to the community, or for acts of bravery; and
meets many Australian citizens and representatives or organisations acting in the life of the community.

Possibly the most visible role of the Governor-General, as the office has evolved over the years, is to encourage, articulate and represent those things that unite Australians as a nation. In this capacity, the Governor-General and his or her spouse:

travel widely throughout Australia visiting the capital cities, regional centres, rural districts, indigenous communities and disadvantaged groups;
may accept patronage of national, charitable, cultural, educational, and other organisations;
open conferences where topics of national importance are discussed – such as education, health, welfare, economic and rural issues;
attend services, functions, commemorations and exhibitions of local significance, lending their encouragement to individuals and groups who are making a substantial contribution to their communities and to the nation; and
send congratulatory messages to Australians who achieve significant milestones in their lives such as 100th birthdays and 50th wedding anniversaries.
The role of Governor-General differs from that of a State Governor in three ways. The Governor-General alone:
receives the credentials of foreign Ambassadors and High Commissioners to accredit them to represent their countries in Australia;
is Commander-in-Chief of the Australian Defence Force; and
is Chancellor of the Order of Australia, Australia’s unique system of honours and awards.
 
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The empire is unofficial, but there are little clues everywhere that many nations are ruled centrally.

Here is one



I would call Australia and Canada 'semi autonomous'

I think the US and Canada fall under the same umbrella as well though


I always thought of the U.S. as a bit separate its policy created by it's own rulers/elites who in turn with the help of those from Europe created the final and 3rd central bank The Federal Reserve. Though even since the FED's inception America operated more autonomously than the territories of the British Empire. I also liken Japan, and France as nations that have remained autonomous despite being heavily infiltrated if you know what I mean. Heck one could perhaps include Spain, Netherlands as well as autonomous despite being infiltrated.

Yes it is scripted. They read from a script

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/30_09_08_harper_howard_e.pdf

This is proof.
 
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You Canadians should have a revolutionary war.
 
Disingenuous it is... selected by the PM for a ceremonial role.

Unfortunate though it is, we shifted to being a US vassal since the Statute of Westminster Adoption Act 1942.
 
Disingenuous it is... selected by the PM for a ceremonial role.

Unfortunate though it is, we shifted to being a US vassal since the Statute of Westminster Adoption Act 1942.

Canada and Australia also sit under the five eyes spy network with the US.

We are in deep!

I view the American empire as just a continuation of the British empire though so it's all the same really.
 
Disingenuous it is... selected by the PM for a ceremonial role.

Unfortunate though it is, we shifted to being a US vassal since the Statute of Westminster Adoption Act 1942.

Wait what is ceremonial about the following

However, there are some powers which the Governor-General may, in certain circumstances, exercise without – or contrary to – ministerial advice. These are known as the reserve powers. While the reserve powers are not codified as such, they are generally agreed to at least include:

The power to appoint a Prime Minister if an election has resulted in a ‘hung parliament’;
The power to dismiss a Prime Minister where he or she has lost the confidence of the Parliament;
The power to dismiss a Prime Minister or Minister when he or she is acting unlawfully; and
The power to refuse to dissolve the House of Representatives despite a request from the Prime Minister.
http://www.gg.gov.au/governor-generals-role

Again the person that chooses the Prime Minister is appointed by the Queen. You don't find that interesting?

What about top access to world leaders and tremendous influence to powerful people. Does that count for anything?

Isn't politics and doing business all about doing people favors and use of 'influence'? Excluding threats or elimination of enemies id say that much of the worlds business/politics gets done through 'influence', bribes and simple ideology.
 
Wait what is ceremonial about the following


http://www.gg.gov.au/governor-generals-role

Again the person that chooses the Prime Minister is appointed by the Queen. You don't find that interesting?

What about top access to world leaders and tremendous influence to powerful people. Does that count for anything?

Isn't politics and doing business all about doing people favors and use of 'influence'? Excluding threats or elimination of enemies id say that much of the worlds business/politics gets done through 'influence', bribes and simple ideology.

"Appointment" is a formality. They are chosen by the PM. It's a ceremonial role, hence why the current Governor General is a retired Chief of the Defence Force.
In fact, in terms of external influence, it was rumoured that the only notable exercise of the "reserve powers" ("The Dismissal") was done at the behest of the CIA.
Since you've bothered to go to the .Gov pages and copy and paste, I'm sure you know this and are simply trolling, but American disinformation about Australia is bad enough as it is... Who knows who'd be stupid enough to believe you?
 
Disingenuous it is... selected by the PM for a ceremonial role.

Unfortunate though it is, we shifted to being a US vassal since the Statute of Westminster Adoption Act 1942.

I would call Australia and Canada 'semi autonomous'

I think the US and Canada fall under the same umbrella as well though

Sad to say, but the US has more influence on Australia than the UK these days.

C'mon guys! We're allies! Strategic and valued allies! :icon_twis
 
C'mon guys! We're allies! Strategic and valued allies! :icon_twis

Yeah... well I look forward to the day we've got military bases in the US and sending our forces over to occupy... err... protect... you lot.
Not to mention signing "Free Trade" agreements with you to our benefit, selling you overpriced military hardware you don't need, flooding your media with our shittest programming, indoctrinating you with our worst religious and political trends and having your political class kiss our leadership's arse.
 
Yeah... well I look forward to the day we've got military bases in the US and sending our forces over to occupy... err... protect... you lot.
Not to mention signing "Free Trade" agreements with you to our benefit, selling you overpriced military hardware you don't need, flooding your media with our shittest programming, indoctrinating you with our worst religious and political trends and having your political class kiss our leadership's arse.

We gave them Murdoch though so it almost evens out.
 
We gave them Murdoch though so it almost evens out.

Kind of cutting off our nose to spite our face with that one though...

Maybe we can console ourselves by killing Johnny Depp's dogs.

 
Kind of cutting off our nose to spite our face with that one though...

Maybe we can console ourselves by killing Johnny Depp's dogs.



At least we took everyone else down with us.... :icon_twis ..... :icon_sad:

If we live in a true democracy those little fuckers will die. Send him a message the last 15 years of his career has not been acceptable.
 
Kind of cutting off our nose to spite our face with that one though...

Maybe we can console ourselves by killing Johnny Depp's dogs.



I can't believe he said "bugger off to California" lol. Such elegance our politicians have in their vocabulary. He might as well have said "Mr Depp needs to pay up in dollary doo's".
 
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