Arab-Israeli Conflict: Part 1

[deltapapha]

good, God gave them the land, they should live in it

 

[Rod1]

I think Trump should do the morally right thing and help create a Palestinian state in Jordan since Jordan is Palestine.

Many people realize this fact including Marco Rubio, much of the GOP, and politicians like Geert Wilders.

Im sure the Jordanians dont want anything to do with the Palestinians, thats why the renounced to all claims of West Bank back in the 80s.

 

[JohnnyTowers]

Im sure the Jordanians dont want anything to do with the Palestinians, thats why the renounced to all claims of West Bank back in the 80s.

No other arabs ... sadly, want anything to do with the Palestinians. Most Palestinians find home in Israel, and are accepted readily, go figure.

 

[JohnnyTowers]

 

[JohnnyTowers]

That is just how it is... Israel picks up the balance on Palestine every year, and aides them more than there own brother countries do.. Explain that???

 

[JohnnyTowers]

htthttps://www.wsj.com/articles/israel-comes-to-the-aid-of-the-faltering-palestinian-economy-1479293954p://www.aish.com/jw/me/Israels-Support-of-the-Palestinian-Economy.html

 

[JohnnyTowers]

Arkain2k will find something to complain about, even though the facts are presented surely.

 

[JohnnyTowers]

facts.... Surely...

 

[JohnnyTowers]

 

[HomerThompson]

I hope the original land of BMP is repartitioned and a state of Palestine gets 50% of the land, and Israel gets 50% of the land. Jerusalem should also be made an international city open to all visitors and protected by rotating UN forces. No capital there for either country.

 

[Arkain2K]

The Palestinians don't want any deal that leaves Israel intact as a state. They'd rather have dead Jews than their own state. It's hard to think of any other reason they've let so many golden opportunities go by.

After Camp David, I'm not sure if the Palestinians actually know what the Palestinians want anymore.

Not only they turned down that sweet deal, Arafat didn't even have a counter offer and simply walked away from the table, which tells me they never wanted a workable compromise in the first place.

 

[SouthoftheAndes]

Im sure the Jordanians dont want anything to do with the Palestinians, thats why the renounced to all claims of West Bank back in the 80s.

It would be hard to force but I think a Palestinian state should be created in Jordan and at most should include part of the West Bank that is contiguous with the Palestinian state that is inside Jordan.

And yeah as is commonly noted the Arab league by and large doesn't care about Palestinians and uses them as a political 'football'.

 

[carlos cadona]

I think Trump should do the morally right thing and help create a Palestinian state in Jordan since Jordan is Palestine.

Many people realize this fact including Marco Rubio, much of the GOP, and politicians like Geert Wilders.

Jordan would have to get rid of the Syrian refugees before they could take in Palestinians.

 

[Prutfis]

as long as the PLO and Hamas are involved in Palestinian politics, they should not have a seat at any negotiation table.

One could say the same for the fascist shitshow known as Likud.

 

[Rod1]

It would be hard to force but I think a Palestinian state should be created in Jordan and at most should include part of the West Bank that is contiguous with the Palestinian state that is inside Jordan.

And yeah as is commonly noted the Arab league by and large doesn't care about Palestinians and uses them as a political 'football'.

Sending the Palestinians to Jordan would force Jordanians to become an even more authoritarian state because Palestinians would become a majority.

The contiguous states dont have the size or the infrastructure to take Palestinians.

And i guess Palestinians dont want to be uprooted from their homes and sent far away.

Israel already destroyed Christian Lebanon by sending a huge amount of Palestinians there, if they want the West Bank, they will have to deal with them.

 

[Arkain2K]

Just What Is the Israel-Palestine Two-State Solution?
By Jack Winnick
February 7, 2017​

The so-called "Two-State Solution" has been touted for many years by Israel's enemies as the only way to achieve peace. The fundamentals of this "solution" consist of the creation of two new countries. One would comprise the "West Bank," historically known as Judea and Samaria, and be populated and governed solely by Arabs. As in other Arab countries, Jews, Christians, and other non-Muslims would be unwelcome.

The other "country" would comprise the area now known as Israel, but would be open to the return of millions of Arabs as citizens. These "returnees" would include all Arabs who could show any relation to those living in the ill-defined region known as "Palestine" prior to the establishment of the Jewish state in 1948.

This, in effect, would mean Israel would have to open its borders to all Arabs in the Levant. The idea of a Jewish homeland would disappear. A nation populated and governed by Arabs would take its place.

The nation of Israel came into existence after a protracted 30-year struggle, beginning with Britain's 1917 Balfour Declaration, guaranteeing a Jewish homeland within its protectorate. It culminated with a decisive vote in the United Nations in 1947, the same year Pakistan was created as a home for Indian Muslims (the size of the new Jewish State decreased over the intervening years to about 20 percent of that originally proposed in 1918.)

In the 70 years following that vote, Israel has been subjected to three major conflicts, all instigated by its Arab neighbors. The first, the War of Independence, began right after its birth on May 15, 1948 with a coordinated attack by forces from Syria, Iraq, Jordan, and Egypt. Few people at that time gave the tiny Jewish nation any chance for survival. Yet thanks to financial and military aid, but not troops, from the United States, it did survive and prosper, miraculously turning a patch of desert with virtually no natural resources into a thriving, productive democracy, home not only to Jews but to Arabs and Christians as well.

The second major conflict was the so-called "Six-Day War," brought on by troops from Egypt and Syria massed on Israel's border in early June, 1967. Thanks to a brilliant preemptive strike, Israel was able to survive. Further, because of Jordan's poorly thought-out attack on West Jerusalem, attempting to wrest control of the Jewish sector, Israel was able to gain control over the whole city and its environs. It also captured the Sinai Peninsula from Egypt and the Golan Heights from Syria, giving it some measure of protection from future attacks.

The third and final major campaign, which occurred in the fall of 1973, became known as the "Yom Kippur War." Egypt and Syria simultaneously attacked Israel on the Jews’ most holy day. After significant advances in the early days, causing dreadful losses among Israelis, the Arabs were expelled by brilliant military moves by the Israeli army and air force. A few years later, peace treaties were signed between Israel and Egypt, and also Jordan. As part of the deal, the Sinai was returned to Egypt. Peace has been maintained in the years since, at least between Israel and these two major powers. On the other hand, Syria has shown no interest in any such agreement.

Persons of all religion have had access to full citizenry, including the right to vote and hold office. In fact, Arabs have been members of the Knesset (Parliament) since its founding. Further, they have served in the prime minister's cabinet and even on the Supreme Court. This democratic structure would not be the case with an Arab majority population. In fact, the "new" country would most certainly be subject to the same 12th century-type government as other Arab-led nations. Jews and Christians would be personae non-gratae.

The premise of such a "two-state solution" is clearly just a land grab by the Arabs, destroying a flourishing democracy created by the blood, sweat, and tears of the Israelis over the past decades. The land now known as Israel has been home to Jews continuously over the millennia. It is not merely a politically contrived Western-style democracy.

To have peace in the region, the Arabs must first agree to formally recognize the State of Israel, something most of them refuse to do. Only then can negotiations begin. This is the stance Israel has always taken, and one with which the United States and our allies must comply.

http://www.americanthinker.com/arti...is_the_israelpalestine_twostate_solution.html

 

[SouthoftheAndes]

Sending the Palestinians to Jordan would force Jordanians to become an even more authoritarian state because Palestinians would become a majority.

The contiguous states dont have the size or the infrastructure to take Palestinians.

And i guess Palestinians dont want to be uprooted from their homes and sent far away.

Israel already destroyed Christian Lebanon by sending a huge amount of Palestinians there, if they want the West Bank, they will have to deal with them.

1) So Jordan becomes more authoritarian and fences off the Palestinian state within its borders. International assistance can help them make it a viable state.

2) Would Palestinians really be a majority?

3) Going forward only the U.S. can force Israel to accept a two state solution. And I don't think the Russians or Chinese really care about it. I think they side with it at times to appease Muslim nations they do business with.

4) Of course Palestinians won't like being expelled if it came down to it. However, this has happened plenty of times before and we should stop thinking it as expulsion and rather think of it as relocating.

Let Israel annex all of the West Bank and then have the US and allies force a Palestinian state inside Jordan. Then offer money and incentives for them to move to Jordan.

 

[Arkain2K]

Now you guys are just being silly, again.

With the exception of the far-right Jewish Home political party and their fanatical pro-settlers supporters, the overwhelming majority Israelis do NOT want to annex the West Bank, or even approve of the ever-growing Jewish settlements there.

It might have something to do with the fact that most Jews still want a workable Two-State solution, despite the Arabs' unwillingness to face reality and their own hardliners increasingly losing faith in negotiation.

 

[Rod1]

1) So Jordan becomes more authoritarian and fences off the Palestinian state within its borders. International assistance can help them make it a viable state.

2) Would Palestinians really be a majority?

3) Going forward only the U.S. can force Israel to accept a two state solution. And I don't think the Russians or Chinese really care about it. I think they side with it at times to appease Muslim nations they do business with.

4) Of course Palestinians won't like being expelled if it came down to it. However, this has happened plenty of times before and we should stop thinking it as expulsion and rather think of it as relocating.

Let Israel annex all of the West Bank and then have the US and allies force a Palestinian state inside Jordan. Then offer money and incentives for them to move to Jordan.

1.- So Jordan gets fucked up with nothing in return? Jordan would never accept such a deal specially after giving up the West Bank.

2.- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_September

3.- You mean only the US can protect Israel from a two-state solution. Without the US veto Israel would had been forced to accept it long time ago.

4.- Yeah, in the age of social media, you cant really hide ethnic cleansing like before.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Just What Is the Israel-Palestine Two-State Solution?
By Jack Winnick
February 7, 2017​

The so-called "Two-State Solution" has been touted for many years by Israel's enemies as the only way to achieve peace. The fundamentals of this "solution" consist of the creation of two new countries. One would comprise the "West Bank," historically known as Judea and Samaria, and be populated and governed solely by Arabs. As in other Arab countries, Jews, Christians, and other non-Muslims would be unwelcome.

The other "country" would comprise the area now known as Israel, but would be open to the return of millions of Arabs as citizens. These "returnees" would include all Arabs who could show any relation to those living in the ill-defined region known as "Palestine" prior to the establishment of the Jewish state in 1948.

This, in effect, would mean Israel would have to open its borders to all Arabs in the Levant. The idea of a Jewish homeland would disappear. A nation populated and governed by Arabs would take its place.

The nation of Israel came into existence after a protracted 30-year struggle, beginning with Britain's 1917 Balfour Declaration, guaranteeing a Jewish homeland within its protectorate. It culminated with a decisive vote in the United Nations in 1947, the same year Pakistan was created as a home for Indian Muslims (the size of the new Jewish State decreased over the intervening years to about 20 percent of that originally proposed in 1918.)

In the 70 years following that vote, Israel has been subjected to three major conflicts, all instigated by its Arab neighbors. The first, the War of Independence, began right after its birth on May 15, 1948 with a coordinated attack by forces from Syria, Iraq, Jordan, and Egypt. Few people at that time gave the tiny Jewish nation any chance for survival. Yet thanks to financial and military aid, but not troops, from the United States, it did survive and prosper, miraculously turning a patch of desert with virtually no natural resources into a thriving, productive democracy, home not only to Jews but to Arabs and Christians as well.

The second major conflict was the so-called "Six-Day War," brought on by troops from Egypt and Syria massed on Israel's border in early June, 1967. Thanks to a brilliant preemptive strike, Israel was able to survive. Further, because of Jordan's poorly thought-out attack on West Jerusalem, attempting to wrest control of the Jewish sector, Israel was able to gain control over the whole city and its environs. It also captured the Sinai Peninsula from Egypt and the Golan Heights from Syria, giving it some measure of protection from future attacks.

The third and final major campaign, which occurred in the fall of 1973, became known as the "Yom Kippur War." Egypt and Syria simultaneously attacked Israel on the Jews’ most holy day. After significant advances in the early days, causing dreadful losses among Israelis, the Arabs were expelled by brilliant military moves by the Israeli army and air force. A few years later, peace treaties were signed between Israel and Egypt, and also Jordan. As part of the deal, the Sinai was returned to Egypt. Peace has been maintained in the years since, at least between Israel and these two major powers. On the other hand, Syria has shown no interest in any such agreement.

Persons of all religion have had access to full citizenry, including the right to vote and hold office. In fact, Arabs have been members of the Knesset (Parliament) since its founding. Further, they have served in the prime minister's cabinet and even on the Supreme Court. This democratic structure would not be the case with an Arab majority population. In fact, the "new" country would most certainly be subject to the same 12th century-type government as other Arab-led nations. Jews and Christians would be personae non-gratae.

The premise of such a "two-state solution" is clearly just a land grab by the Arabs, destroying a flourishing democracy created by the blood, sweat, and tears of the Israelis over the past decades. The land now known as Israel has been home to Jews continuously over the millennia. It is not merely a politically contrived Western-style democracy.

To have peace in the region, the Arabs must first agree to formally recognize the State of Israel, something most of them refuse to do. Only then can negotiations begin. This is the stance Israel has always taken, and one with which the United States and our allies must comply.

http://www.americanthinker.com/arti...is_the_israelpalestine_twostate_solution.html

Terribly biased article. Also this part made me throw up in my mouth a little

Yet thanks to financial and military aid, but not troops, from the United States, it did survive and prosper, miraculously turning a patch of desert with virtually no natural resources into a thriving, productive democracy, home not only to Jews but to Arabs and Christians as well.

What an ingrate. Let's deport the Israeli-firsters and cut these cunts off, they can handle themselves.