Approaching an armdragger at the start of a round

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  1. krait

    krait Purple Belt

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    Just looking for some idea on how to approah a person that has a real good armdrag to then playing the Perosh game. I roll with a purple that hs really been working on his armdrags and I am at a loss of how to approach him.

    This is from the start of the round and hell sit down(I'm on my knees) at an angle to me and just keep working an armdrag. As soon as I get in reach he's snatching and arm and if he misses the full drag he'll put a foot on my hip and he'll extend and I get exteneded and still get my arm dragged across and also my base is shot.


    I'm not looking for some silver bullet move to counter this. Just ideas on how to approach and engage him without getting sucked in. I get armdragged everytime if I approach low. If I come up on one knee and really lock my elbows in tight to my body he'll just start backing away. And then I'm just chasing the guy all over the mat. I know I can stand up and try to pass but I'm frustrted that I can't even approach this guy and I'd feel cheap if my only technique was to stand and just avoid the whole thing.
     
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    keep your hips out and dont lean into him. I like to pull arm draggers back or ill just collapse straight down on them
     
  3. Chinaboxer

    Chinaboxer Blue Belt

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    sounds like he's doing a marcello armdrag from butterfly. As soon as he sits down, grab his gi pants at his knees and plant them into the ground, then work your pass. If you control his legs, he can't get the leverage to armdrag you. It also keeps him from getting his butterfly hooks in.
     
  4. masada555

    masada555 Orange Belt

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    How about just keeping your elbows in?
     
  5. masada555

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    Also, there's nothing "cheap" about standing to pass.
     
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    knoxpk Black Belt

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    Also you can work YOUR armdrag.

    A very common counter to an armdrag is the re-drag.
     
  7. Czyivn

    Czyivn Yellow Belt

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    The re-drag is money. Guys with good armdrags don't usually see it coming as much as they should, because their armdrag works for them so often.
     
  8. krait

    krait Purple Belt

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    Makes sense. I'll try it tonight. I've tried it before but since I was really frustrated already by the guy I wasn't really sticking with anything. I just kept trying diferent things and none seemed to work. I 'll give pinning the legs a a more dedicated effort.

    Thanks.
     
  9. krait

    krait Purple Belt

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    In my original post I said that if I keep my elbows in tight he just backs out and I end up chaing the guy all over the mat. So it turns into a stalemate. I'd rather be actively losing by trying something as opposed to just stalling.
     
  10. krait

    krait Purple Belt

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    This isn't he's got full guard already pulled and I break it and do a standing pass. My problem is I can't get near the guy at all to engage all.

    To me its cheap if you both starting from your knees, slap hands , and the first thing you do is jump up to your feet and bull rush your partner.
     
  11. Zankou

    Zankou Bringing peace and love Staff Member Pink!!

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    Engage with your knees, not your hands.

    Reaching in with your hands sucks.

    Think like a wrestler --- how do you prevent armdrags? T-Rex arms.

    The typical armdrag victim is that guy who is petrified of getting his legs grabbed, so he keeps leaning his upper body in trying to grab the legs. That just says "victim" all over it.
     
  12. Czyivn

    Czyivn Yellow Belt

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    Also, if all he ever does is the armdrag, there are some other counters you can do. If he drags you with his right arm, you let him, and jump over his left leg as he drags you. Instant side control. You can push down on that leg with your left arm to make it easier.
     
  13. Chris Beeby

    Chris Beeby Brown Belt Professional Fighter

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    If you do go this route, watch the brabo choke when you hop over.
     

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