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Discussion in 'Grappling Technique' started by Eternal Unltd1, May 1, 2008.

  1. Eternal Unltd1 Yellow Belt

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    Not sure what it's called exactly, but Matt Hughes did it a while back on someone (forger who!). It's when someone has you in side control and they trap one of your arms with their leg and the other arm with one or their arms and their head. It basically leaves your face open to get pounded and both of your arms are trapped! Here is a pic of what my face looked like after I got caught in it last night! If you need more of an explanation of the move or an example I will try to elaborate..but most people remember when Hughes did it..it has actually been done a lot, but when he did it I remember it most.

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  2. Shaldag Orange Belt

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    I hope you had an mma fight, because if someone did that to you in training...
     
  3. Evaristo Medrano Amateur Fighter

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    Kinda like a crucifix postion but on top of you instead of being under it. As far as the escape , if you have strong core muscle id say kick both legs over his body and try to reverse but IDK. Just dont let yourself get caught thier. Ihe some one is passing your guard, keep that position in mind and MOve out of that spot. Props for steping up !
     
  4. codemonkey76 Black Belt

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    don't get put in that position in the first place, it's like asking how do i get out of an armbar after it's fully locked, or an RNC when someone has it deep and locked
     
  5. it was Hughes vs BJ Penn 2...and uhhh in MMA = Death... Pelligrino did it to Nate Diaz, but Diaz just bucked and squirmed his way out of it because while Pelligrino was punching, it destabilized him enough for nate to escape
     
  6. -Montanha- Blue Belt

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    Man thats the look of training at Terrell's.

    I agree with codemonkey76, now you know you can see it comming so dont let it happen.

    Good observation damit2hell, time your bucking with the punches not only to de-stabalize your opponent but it will also aid in avoiding direct blows, some that is.

    That position is a hair different than a submission in that you can make a last ditch effort, it will test your will and heart.


    I have escaped it a couple of times by "surrendering", meaning I pushed my arms up in the surrender position like "putting your hands up". Al your weight then goes on your feet to walk your self out, like a bridging up. I created some space and switched my base and corkscrewed out. Note; with my "hands up", my arms were able to follow my body out with out getting locked in. It works really easy in a traditional crusifix with out someone punching on you.
     
  7. Blast D* Banned Banned

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    LOL
     
  8. Calibur Jiu Jitsu Snob

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    That position sucks!

    If I get caught in it I extend my arms as much as possible (they aren't extended fully yet)

    I than bridge as much as I can and rotate my shoulder so I can swim one arm between my opponents chin and shoulder and the other from his legs to his hip.

    Of course, since you need to straighten your arms as much as possible to get out of the grapevine you are wide open to armlocks, but that is why you dont ever ever want to be in this position.

    Ever.
     
  9. Tony Manifold Brown Belt

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    The only way I can think of is to roll him like this. Use the arm by his head to wrap it placing his head in you armpit. Use the other arm to grab his pants/shorts where the hip joins the pelvis for the body side leg (ie right leg if he is on your right side). Make a fist and drive that into his pelvis area. Then you bridge up hard to the side his head is on. As you bridge, you use you fist to push his hips and over your head. The goal is to change the angle from 90 to more like 135 or better. It is a power move and you have to be explosive but I have pulled it off before. At the very least you should be able to move him into a more traditional North/South which sucks slightly less. If you can not get your hand on the inside of his hip, grab some cloth high on the inside of his thigh. You have to get both your elbows in as tight as possible.

    But bottom line you are in a shitty place if he gets that on you.
     
  10. Eternal Unltd1 Yellow Belt

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    Thanks a lot for all the replies! First off what I got from all of the replies is just don't get caught in that position..haha. I think now that I have been caught in it, I will be able to see it coming and hopefully not have to use any of your guys advice on how to get out of it. That being said, if I do get caught again, I like the idea of waiting for him to get off balance while punching and use an explosive bridge (although mine needs work) and get my elbow in under his arm pit past his shoulder and head, then get my hand/arm through to his lat or hip if I can get it and get out the back door. This while being pumbled in the face of course, but you are going to take blows anyways so might as well try to get out. I think that may be a combination of a lot of everyone's advice. Thanks!!!

    I had to go to a F'ing parent/teacher conference looking like that yesterday...I think they are gonna give me Father of the Year award at my daughter's school...people giving me great looks..haha!

    Thanks for the reminder that it was Hughes/Penn!

    Monte, i'm coming down to Pleasant Hill sometime soon and i'm bringing you a shirt bro!
     
  11. BCarr Blue Belt

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    Hey...I had a job interview the day after taking a knee to the eye....they loved it and I had the job quickly (and yes, I work in the corporate world).

    Don't sweat it.

    And as for that position....an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, my friend.
     
  12. Piper Guest

    In our area we call that position the T-bone. Scissor the bottom man's arm while in cross mount, and keep the opposite arm down with your own body and arm and pound him in the face with the other. Even when it is just grappling, it is a good habit to scissor the near arm of the bottom man, as it gives several opportunities for submissions while keeping good control.

    As I was taught, and as I teach and coach my guys now, the best way to get out of a position is not to be caught in it in the first place.

    I train my guys to habitually keep their arms in the fetal/praying mantis position on the bottom, and keep their knees tucked and always have their belly-button facing the opponent. That prevents the opponent from isolating your limbs and securing control or submission on you, or getting effective punches in, and leaves openings for your escapes.

    Anyone who is flat on their back, with their arms extended out is easy prey to the T-bone.
     
  13. Bullitt68 Senior Moderator Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    ^^^^

    Great post, although I prefer crucifix to T-Bone :D

    And TS: Just for your own edification, Matt Hughes finished both Carlos Newton and BJ Penn with strikes from this position.

    It's odd to see this thread, too, considering just today I watched Fedor/Nog I, and when Nog sweeps Fedor towards the end of round one, he attempts isolating Fedor's arm and Fedor counters by simply bucking his hips once and then just sitting up.
     
  14. -Montanha- Blue Belt

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    Thanks man.

    Also remind Dave I am still waiting for my NCFA jacket, LOL
     
  15. brianX Green Belt

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    I'd say bridge up to create space and then, on your way down, work to pull the trapped arm through.
     
  16. Eternal Unltd1 Yellow Belt

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    It seems like the best advice is just to not get caught in that position! I will definitely have that in the back of my mind at all times. I'll let Dave know you want your Jacket Monte!
     
  17. -Montanha- Blue Belt

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    LOL, how do I defend that?

    Like Mr. Miagi say; "No be there"

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  18. judofarmerbob Banned Banned

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    yeah, this is hard to defend. the best way i've found is to imagine you're in yoko-shiho-gatame (cradle) but from the underside. try to have underhooks on the leg and neck, and either bridge up and roll out or try to sit up and spin your legs out.

    you can also try to get your arm out and overhook the leg, then scoot yourself back in to guard or back mount, but you'd better have mad shrimping skills for that.

    will that work? probably not. consider it dumbass tax for being put in that position. i'd rather be mounted than be in a crucifix.
     
  19. at my school, the judo guys love to use it to isolate for an americana
     

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