Anyone heard of this?

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  1. Gtrgod430 Yellow Belt

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    I used to train a tma when I was younger, Okinawan Kenpo. As far as tmas go it wasn't too bad. We did full contact sparring, and there was more emphasis on individual development than in most places. Anyways, In high school, I became too busy to continue, and then became interested in bjj and mma. Everyone once in a while, I check their website to see what they're up to.

    Recently, I noticed they introduced a new style to their training, Palace Hand, or Motobu Udundi. It struck me as odd because it seems to be taught by the head instructor, who never mentioned any knowledge of this style while I was there. Anyways, I've never heard of it at all. Seems to be a bit like Aikido, although they claim it isn't. Anyone ever had any experience with this or even heard of it?

    THIS is the link the their site and a short explanation of "Palace Hand"
     
  2. Deloitte Blue Belt

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    Never heard of it, probably sucks.
     
  3. Gtrgod430 Yellow Belt

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    It doesn't appear to be very mma friendly. There's a video of it on the site and it looks a lot like aikido to me
     
  4. Q mystic Silver Belt

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    Yep, when I was young(about 20 years ago) a friend of my judo coach who was a kenpo instructor insisted I check his place out and I went to see. It was a cross between kenpo and aikido.

    I don't know if it was Motobu, but it was definetly a cross between aikido and kenpo. In the instructors own words as well. The club was a 'kenpo' club.
     
  5. Gtrgod430 Yellow Belt

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    Interesting Q Mystic. From what I gathered, this style is very different from the kenpo I did while i was at that dojo. We focused much more on blocking and firm stances. This style doesn't believe in blocking (according to what I've seen), which is good because the idea that you can block a punch effectively a high percentage of the time is bolox anyways.
     
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    thanks for this brilliant constructive input btw
     
  7. Reveen Purple Belt

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    Looks like a nice facility they have there.
     
  8. Mikey Triangles Bending Joints the Wrong Way Since 1985

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    i would bet the ranch that it sucks just from the pictures
     
  9. Q mystic Silver Belt

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    I only went there twice so I dont really know much about Kenpo itself.

    Not a big fan of TMAs but I do see some good pros in it vs the many cons. For 1 is that I am a believer in its drills. I do see blocking as very effective in their drills albeit better for self-defence than mma of course.

    I have some TMA friends that did just fine in demoing their art.
     
  10. Gtrgod430 Yellow Belt

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    Yeah it is huge and has tons of equipment.. shame its being put to waste (mostly)
     
  11. Deloitte Blue Belt

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    I disagree, you need someone to flat out tell you it sucks. The purpose is so you don't waste your money and time on trash.
     
  12. Gtrgod430 Yellow Belt

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    I never even considered joining... I just wanted to know if anyone had heard of it because i thought I had at least heard of most arts and I haven't
     
  13. Okinawa White Belt

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    Here are a couple of things for you to know- might save you some ambarrassment later.

    1. Just because you never heard of a style doesn't mean it doesn't exists. Motobu Udundi has been around for centuries. It has not, however, been commercialy available. If you don't read Japanese there are many styles that you haven't heard of. My guess is that you get most of your info off the web or from popular books- not very accurate or complete resources. Spend some time on Okinawa or in some other east Asian country and you may find that a whole world of martial arts exists that has avoided the consumption of our culture here in the U.S. Ethnocentic views are pretty useless when you are discussing cultural practices from another hemisphere!

    2. No beginner has access to my private practice and my home dojo (on the "private lessons" page of the Kodokai web site). Several of us practiced Udundi for quite some time before making it available to select students at the main dojo. Since our Motobu Udundi is not for sale, and since you are only a beginner, why would I have discussed it with you?

    3. Since you are soliciting information on Motobu Udundi and getting such informed, experienced and stimulating advice from others (people like you who have never heard of it seen it or experienced it), I'll give you some more advice: Find out for yourself rather than solicite and tolerate such remarks! Call me and ask me next time you have a question. Or drop by the dojo when you finish the semester and I'll be glad to help you understand. Really, you know me. I'm happy to help someone understand and appreciate these old martial arts.

    If I don't see you- Good luck in your schooling and your martial arts training!

    D. Branchaud (don't believe in hiding my name but speaking my opinion)
     
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    Here are a couple of things for you to know- might save you some embarrassment later.

    1. Just because you never heard of a style doesn't mean it doesn't exists. Motobu Udundi has been around for centuries. It has not, however, been commercialy available. If you don't read Japanese there are many styles that you haven't heard of. My guess is that you get most of your info off the web or from popular books- not very accurate or complete resources. Spend some time on Okinawa or in some other east Asian country and you may find that a whole world of martial arts exists that has avoided the consumption of our culture here in the U.S. Ethnocentic views are pretty useless when you are discussing cultural practices from another hemisphere!

    2. No beginner has access to my private practice and my home dojo (on the "private lessons" page of the Kodokai web site). Several of us practiced Udundi for quite some time before making it available to select students at the main dojo. Since our Motobu Udundi is not for sale, and since you are only a beginner, why would I have discussed it with you?

    3. Since you are soliciting information on Motobu Udundi and getting such informed, experienced and stimulating advice from others (others like you who have never heard of it seen it or experienced it), I'll give you some more advice: Find out for yourself rather than solicite and tolerate such remarks! Call me and ask me next time you have a question. Or drop by the dojo when you finish the semester and I'll be glad to help you understand. Really, you know me. I'm happy to help someone understand and appreciate these old martial arts.

    If I don't see you- Good luck in your schooling and your martial arts training!

    D. Branchaud (don't believe in hiding my name but speaking my opinion)
     
  15. ILGrappler Purple Belt

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    Sensei Al...is that you?!
     
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    well perhaps you could inform us on some sources about it. any links? many of the forum members on this site are in japan, and could easily read japanese info.
     
  17. Okinawa White Belt

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    Gladly, try this one.

    ????????

    This is a fine dojo on the main islands of Japan.

    This one below is from Europe but has info on a Motbu Udundi Dojo on Okinawa.

    Seishin dojo

    The other two Motobu Udundi Dojo's on Okinawa do not have web sites and do not seek students. One of them, however, will accept students if they are introduced by the right person.

    There is also information on Shian Toma sensei's Udundi available on the web. Sensei Seiki Toma, unfortunately, recently passed away but you can find some information on both him and Shian Toma at the site below.

    http://www.dentokanhombu.com/2.0/

    Glad to see that someone is interested enough to explore before presenting opinions!
     
  18. IChinaManI Green Belt

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    Do you guys do any live randori or sparring?
     
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    THis I'm curious about.
     
  20. Okinawa White Belt

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    Our Ryukyu Kenpo spars using Bogu. Motobu Udundi does not.
     

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