Anyone else hate turtle position? (As attacker)

[Evenflow80]

I hate it. Feel like I have no control over my opponent and generally I feel so weak from that position. This is when my opponent is in turtle and I'm behind him. Cant stand that position and at the very least try to get north south turtle so at least I can go for guillotines or some other choke

 

[EndlessCritic]

The solution to turtle (and every position) is to avoid a one track gameplan. If your only plan is to insert the hooks, you will fail against a strong opponent.

In gi, it's never a bad idea to grab onto the back of your opponent's collar, punch his face into the ground, and then try to tilt him on his side when he resists. There are various grips you can use with your non lapel hand to accomplish this.

 

[Tebowned]

I use turtle a lot and pretty decent at avoiding back takes.
Only thing that really gets me in trouble is when someone has a good crucifix.

 

[Evenflow80]

I use turtle a lot and pretty decent at avoiding back takes.
Only thing that really gets me in trouble is when someone has a good crucifix.

I mean as the top attacker not person in turtle

 

[winterbike]

I hate it. Feel like I have no control over my opponent and generally I feel so weak from that position. This is when my opponent is in turtle and I'm behind him. Cant stand that position and at the very least try to get north south turtle so at least I can go for guillotines or some other choke

Same. I'm getting quite decent at attacking it, but overall it's the position I dislike the most (being the defender is the worst for me though).

 

[Daz2300]

I hate it. Feel like I have no control over my opponent and generally I feel so weak from that position. This is when my opponent is in turtle and I'm behind him. Cant stand that position and at the very least try to get north south turtle so at least I can go for guillotines or some other choke

If i find myself behind them by their hips with no real path to attacking their neck i do one of two things:

1) Grab the thigh and ankle of their closest leg, stand up hauling it with me then slide back down into an ankle lock as they get turned over on their back.

2) Grab their collar and belt, post my foot on the outside of their knee then drive the other knee in hard as i haul them back of the leg i've blocked and scissor my legs to take Mount. This is a judo thingy someone showed me years ago.

Both work better if done while loudly yelling "Surprise!!!" i've discovered.

 

[ArtemV]

I always try to put weight on their hip and try to work for some kind of nelson/just pull the nearest wrist out so they collapse. As a set up, it works great for me.

 

[rmongler]

If they are bunching up their knees to their head, they are pretty much just giving you a cradle for free, which you can use to break them down, affording transition into further attacks, such as mounted guillotine or assassin, taking side control, or taking the back.

You can also just go strait into the assassin from turtle. The merkel is also a good and under-utilized method of breaking down turtling opponents, especially if you are already used to grabbing seatbelt controls.

 

[Peteyandjia]

Cant stand that position and at the very least try to get north south turtle so at least I can go for guillotines or some other choke

If you’re transitioning to front headlock, there is nothing wrong with that, & it’s a fine strategy for attacking turtle.

On top of that, I’d recommend you pick a technical backtake, as well as a good knockover to side control, drill the hell out of those two, & then you’ll have yourself a nice 3-pronged attack on the turtle position.

 

[tekkenfan]

i hated it till i learn how to break guys down folkstyle like and now alot of info is out on attacking the turtle 5 years and longer before it was a bitch taking guys back no gi here

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Gordon has a new DVD out about attacking turtle, I don't have it but I've heard it's good.

 

[GoodbyeBlueSky82]

My coach kept trapping my arm and rolling me over his shoulder when I would attack the turtle with the standard regular seatbelt and attempt to get a foot hook in..... which made me scared to do it with anyone who is really strong. Lately I have been coming to NS and working for an anaconda, even in the gi. If they sit up a bit and base their arms out to try and prevent their arm being trapped for the choke, I can always abandon and circle around to a more traditional back take - and its easier than since they aren't turtled up so tight at that point.

 

[Quebec Nick]

I like the truck entry to the back, at least your not just looking at the guy sit back to open guard.

Most of the time when I try the truck, even if I don't manage to take the back, I would be in a better top half guard position with good options to pass it

If not, I will try to get a kimura and start the kimura game from there

 

[Kbits]

Nope In a previous life, I did judo and wrestling, so am pretty ok at fucking up a typical, lazy turtle. It's not that hard if you chain breakdowns, turnovers AND submissions.

Off the top of my head, my go to's from turtle are -

• Two arms past bulldozer (this move is judo 101, and is so fucking stupid, but it works)
• 3/4 nelson (wrestling)
• Get to front headlock, sit them up, shin across belly, guillotine (BJJ)
• Near side ankle pick (wrestling)
• Knee tap (side or from front headlock) (wrestling)
• Anaconda (bjj)
• Roll over ankle lock (sambo move)
• Russian head roll into reverse triangle (judo move) <---this is my number 1
• Rolling bow and arrow (judo)
• Sit through kimura (judo)
• Spiral ride to chair sit back take(bjj + wrestling)
• Olympic roll (greco/wrestling: I don't use this much / need to practice it more)
• Peruvian - either side on or front (BJJ; this is my least used one / I should practice this more because it's a great follow up from front headlock)

There's a lot of fun ways to kill a bad / mediocre turtle.

PS: If you're interested in being a excellent turtle guard player, Priit Mihkelson's stuff in 1000% primo quality. Look him up on youtube. Someone who plays Priit's turtle (more and more people are learning it) is a pain in the ass to deal with if you don't chain breakdowns, turnovers and subs.

 

[Kbits]

I hate it. Feel like I have no control over my opponent and generally I feel so weak from that position. This is when my opponent is in turtle and I'm behind him. Cant stand that position and at the very least try to get north south turtle so at least I can go for guillotines or some other choke

• Ankle pick him (literally). Pick both ankles up, stand up, and roll him over his shoulder or head
• Step around to one side and try the Japanese roll
• Get a reverse gut wrench position and roll him over (you don't have to lift them like this to do it. Just roll him over)

 

[Headkicktoleg]

I used to be pretty good, but my instructor hates turtle and make people do burpees when they go to turtle so we pretty much never get to practice attacking it any more.

 

[Kbits]

Same. I'm getting quite decent at attacking it, but overall it's the position I dislike the most (being the defender is the worst for me though).

I fucking LOVE turtle. Attack or defense.

I bait people to attack it. Fat-man roll (Peterson), roll back to guard or...hand fight and stand up...and then throw them with uchimata, while they look up at me blankly.

Those three moves are fucking ninja magic for me.

#TurtleCuresCancer #TurtleAllTheThings #TurtleWillSnapYoDickOff

 

[yetanother]

I used to be pretty good, but my instructor hates turtle and make people do burpees when they go to turtle so we pretty much never get to practice attacking it any more.

Isn't that a big problem? Attacking a turtle is a large part of finishing guard passes.

 

[Cappy Goodtime]

My current jiu-jitsu obsession is the crucifix. So I love when my opponent turtles. If they're keeping everything too tight to get my crucifix going, then I just dump them onto their side by pulling them or double legging (knee tap?) them.

 

[Tebowned]

I mean as the top attacker not person in turtle

I know that's why I mentioned me having trouble with crucifix players. Maybe practice the crucifix position?