Anyone else find it harder to roll with First timers?

[Jamsandwich]

I rolled today with a guy who was boxing in the same room that i do submission wrestling. This guy had one day of experience earlier this week and when we where rolling it was a intense work out. The guy never had any submissions on me but the amount of preasure and go in him was far more then most of the other guys i roll with. I have noticed this alot like with first timmers they go balls to the wall even if they arnt doing anything they use lots of power and they do end up gassing but up till then its like very intense pase.

 

[Keonici]

Its a noob thing, they don't realize how much energy they are expending and how quickly they will gas. It you haven't done any type of grappling you simply don't understand how quickly you can be extremely tired.

 

[Jamsandwich]

to me its just annoying like my fucking throat hurts cause all he did was go for forarm chokes i was like you wont ever get me to give up from one but that ll he would go for. I know he didnt know anybetter but damn.

 

[Orphangrinder]

Since I'm fairly small compared to a lot of guys, I end up on my back with new guys most of the time, with them just holding onto my wrists and trying to crush me, scooting me around the mat. They never get close to doing anything (because they don't know anything to do), but it is definitely more difficult to do anything back than with a guy who's actually trying to pass or something.

 

[Zankou]

It's perfectly natural. If your opponent has greater skill, you make it a contest of athleticism instead -- that's the logical move. It only makes sense for new guys to try to make the contest more physical, while more skilled guys will try to make it more technical.

So it's something to deal with, but if you ever fight anyone in real life, they are going to be much more similar to the newb paradigm -- aggressive and super-physical -- so it helps to train against that style occasionally, so I believe.

 

[Gai Jin]

It's perfectly natural. If your opponent has greater skill, you make it a contest of athleticism instead -- that's the logical move. It only makes sense for new guys to try to make the contest more physical, while more skilled guys will try to make it more technical.

So it's something to deal with, but if you ever fight anyone in real life, they are going to be much more similar to the newb paradigm -- aggressive and super-physical -- so it helps to train against that style occasionally, so I believe.

great take.

 

[FStep]

i think thats a good exercise though for tournaments and stuff because you will have people who try to be extremely aggressive so you should be ready for it

 

[FStep]

i think thats a good exercise though for tournaments and stuff because you will have people who try to be extremely aggressive so you should be ready for it

 

[EPT]

I find it much easier to roll with a first timer who's bigger and stronger than someone smaller who actually has some skills. The intensity is a good thing too, it's good to experiance occasionaly so you can get used to it.

 

[Gsoares2***]

take new guys backs or finish them from the guard.. Let them do all the work..

I normaly just pull them into my guard and wait for them to try to choke me from there.. then armlock them a couple of times.. then they are gassed and i tell them to do what they were tuaght.. Pass the guard.

 

[HaRRy]

How about how hard it is for a newby to roll with anyone of experience?? Ive only been rolling a few months and the majority of my rolling time i spend trying not to be tapped!

Harry

 

[Mark Limbaga]

Its normal for newbs to go ap[e shit so it catches you offguard often

 

[IMP]

I hate it when they go for side headlock or some noobish gi collarchoke somebody just applied on em and just wait and wonder why I won't tap...

 

[triso]

There are benefits to training with both.

Going against someone who doesn’t train or has only trained a few times is VERY good for you, the fact that they go all out trying to use strength, and size IS a good thing. It forces you to deal with a situation that is more like real life in the aggression factor, and it forces you to USE the skills you’ve picked up to submit them.

If you’ve been training for a while, you should be able to the tap them anyway.

 

[chokingvictim]

So it's something to deal with, but if you ever fight anyone in real life, they are going to be much more similar to the newb paradigm -- aggressive and super-physical -- so it helps to train against that style occasionally, so I believe.

So true. If you can get friends to roll with you (who have no grappling experience) it helps a lot. The guys you roll with in class do not react at all like someone on the street would react.
Of course it depends if you're just training for competition and don't care about the self-defense aspect.

 

[infamous mattyd]

if I am rolling with a guy who has had only a few classes, I tend to play guard, then let them pass, then let them mount, then let them launch submission attempts and I usually reverse and start the process again. If they tap me thats fine, I am not doing much to prevent, now if its a White who is close to blue than thats a totally diff story. 2 stripes or less I usually let them work on what they want to and go for subs etc. I used to be them not long ago and didn't sub people too often so I know it sucks.

 

[triso]

Damn, that's a good attitude. I should probably act more like that, but I don't.

 

[Andre00]

sometimes i take it easy on white, but then they don't learn anything and no one took it easy on me. besides getting your first real tap is way better than asking everyone if they were going hard or giving them stuff.
however, if they do the move right I'll give it to them (sweeps, reversals, etc.)
if i get mount i don't go crazy on them...i'll work stuff slowly and see if they can bump/reverse....not trying to ruin their shit.

 

[farmboy]

How about how hard it is for a newby to roll with anyone of experience?? Ive only been rolling a few months and the majority of my rolling time i spend trying not to be tapped!

Harry

Thank you. I can't believe how much people with the experience complain about inexperienced people. How about how hard it is for a newb to roll with someone that's out to show you how much better they are than you?

 

[vanguard_anon]

I rolled with a new guy last night. He slammed me (stupid me forgot to hook the leg) and he was as strong as an ox. In the end I managed to get a triangle but I like new guys. Spaz if you wish, I'll be waiting.