Any tall skinny guys have a hard time escaping side control?

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I realize this may have absolutely nothing to do with me being tall and thin. (6'2" 165lb) I seem to have a really really hard time getting out of side control. I'm not sure if someone shorter and heavier being able to concentrate more weight on my torso area, which would be light because I'm skinny, makes it harder to bridge and escape.

I'm good at using my bridge when someone has the mount on me, but I have such a hard time getting out of side control. Anyone struggle in this particular area that can give any advice? Thanks guys.

-chance
 
Welcome to my hell. I just wrote a post in my training log about this. I've been working really hard to focus on turning into my opponent to escape, because all I do normally is turtle turtle turtle. Check it out here, last post.
Any more questions let me know
 
I am tall 6'2 but not that skinny 199lbs but I had a fuck of a time with this also. I used to just try to shrimp out but it always failed or I tired myself out. Now, I am t-rexing my arms close to my stomach pushing up and oomphing to create the separation and shrimping out and trying to get back to guard.

EDIT: The problem I was having was not using my arms to assist in creating the seperation. Once I started all of the mechanics, I was escaping.
 
Look up Roy Dean on You Tube. He has a good video on escapes from side control that work pretty well. I am 6'2 200 and have been working on it for a little bit too and feel better about being in side control. Depending on how high they are in side control it may also be possible to flip your legs over their back and reverse it, with longer legs you should have more leverage. But Check out the Roy Dean Vid. Also the Roy Dean DVD is really helpful.
 
im as lanky as they get.

for a long time i found it pretty effective to work on getting to my side, pushing their hips away and sliding near leg into halfguard. i could never get full guard with my longass legs.

anyway, now i find it much more effective to always get the underhook while they're passing. if you have that, you can feel their base and when it gets too high you bridge hard and grab a single leg. great way to reverse.

also, if they get to sidecontrol and have both knees close to your body (as opposed to the one at your hip and the other leg extended) and you don't have the underhook. he probably has his arm under your neck, and the other one across pressing on your hip. you grab the biceps of the arm under your neck, and pull it out slightly, sliding the elbow of the hand you're doing this with under their body. you reach over their back with your other arm, then bridge upwards and turn away from him. if the guy outweighs you like crazy it won't work, but you'll be surprised how easily opponents your size just fly over you.
 
Are you familiar with the JAILBREAK technique ala BJ Penn / Eddie Bravo? It requires some flexibility, but it has been working for me like gangbusters, even against the higher belts who don't see it coming.

I'm 6'1" 170 - so I feel your pain. I often let me opponent take mount as it is easier to escape then side.
 
Quick tip from the reoccurring thing I'm reading from these posts - many of you are saying "push them away from you". Rather than focus on "pushing them away from you", focus on getting a frame, getting on your side, and "pushing yourself away from them." This is the principle of hip "escape" - when you "escape" your hips, you get "away" from them.

Do not try to move the guy on top of you - they have downward pressure, positional dominance, and gravity working with them. Rather, move AWAY from the guy. Hope this helps!
 
I find it hard to escape into full guard, but since my legs are long, i can usually get to half guard by hooking a leg and shrimping.
 
I second the recommendation for the jailbreak if you posses the requisite flexibility, I use this quite often.
 
I'm the total opposite, people have hell keeping me in side control and I'm pretty tall and lanky. Have really moblie hips though.

I would also advise the jailbreak, or a technique that is similar.
 
im 6'1" 150and when someone has side control on me i like doing this technique called high noon. it puts me right into a darce. its cake on the lower belts. but the higher belts usually have more chest pressure. but its all technique and creating space. its good to have in ur arsenal.
 
I have a pretty effective way of getting out of it. but it kinda hard to explain.

when you have the person close to you mostly weight on your chest make sure that both legg are against your body.
Depending on which side you are take you near leg and hook his foot preventing it from moving away. ( Generally you can get it but the higher you an get you leg on the other side of his the better )
Take you near arm and try to get to the other side of his body so that you can hold his other legg in place ( watch for him trying to hip down to escape)
ARC up, Keep you near foot planted and high leg over his body which 8/10 time will land you right in his side control.
NOW... It may not work all the time but the thing is that you created so much space you are now able to either highleg over OR pull you leg back through to get half/full guard now.

i make clip of me doing this and post it if you dont understand what im saying.

Hope that helps

Oh yeah.. Im 6'0 - 185
 
Ah, good old side control. My best friend against you lanky fucks :D. I'm 5'6" 155 and as the short stocky guy you're fighting, it's definitely a nice place to be
 
6'3 160 once you learn how to both hip escape and sneak your long legs in for half guard, you will be really good at escaping
 
GBlutador said:
6'3 160 once you learn how to both hip escape and sneak your long legs in for half guard, you will be really good at escaping
Click to expand...

There is no sneaking. I see that long ass thing coming a mile away :D
 
I'm 6'3 175lbs on a good day, and I used to have serious trouble getting out of side control "legally"... But I picked up Saulo Ribeiro's Jujitsu University and I've been putting his side control survival position to good use for a couple of months now. One piece of advice from the book that really helped, was not hooking your leg over your opponents as it prevents your mobility rather then impeding your opponents progress. Shrimping from side control actually turns out to be counter productive as it facilitates your opponent stepping over as you try to push away. Better to move horizontally, either by pushing away and hopping up on a shoulder inorder to create the space to swing a leg under.

However, I'd recommend picking Saulo's book up regardless of your size, but patience and survival are the keys. My initial problem was trying to do to much while forgetting to get my opponent off of my rib cage. If you can make it easier for yourself to breath first, then it becomes easier to think about a coherent escape.
 
looks like the jailbreak was recommended 3 times.
does it work with the gi, as well?
 
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