Any good counters to a foot jab/push kick for a short guy???

[P-Town BeatDown]

After I "scoop" the kick out of the way I am always way to far out to use my hands, so I end up going for a rear leg-to-rear leg inside leg kick to close the distance (and sometimes sweep the guy if I am lucky). Problem is its the only thing I can think to do and its getting very predictable. Guys are throwing right crosses at me as soon as I move in so its either a) each the punch and throw a kick with nothing on it, or b) stand out of range with my **** in my hand.

Staying outside isn't much of an option either since I will never win the outside boxing battle. (to give you an idea I walk around at 190lbs and am 5'5" so obviously inside is my game).

You guys got any ideas/tips?

 

[ahheadlock]

I like to catch the kick with my right, and immediately parry it off to the left with my left hand and step forward to the right on an angle. when done right , they end up facing the wrong way and you have moved into range and are in a great position to deliver a right hand to the side of their face, which can be followed up with all sorts of things.

Its probably a bad description, but it works beautifully if you are quick or know the front kick is coming.

edit: I'm not a short guy, but my instructor is and he uses it to great effect against us taller guys.

 

[US Tomato Can]

I like this one of catching kicks. Sweep the kicking leg to the side wide enough that your opponent must put weight on that leg in order to stand and prevent falling. Now that there's weight on it... good! Kick it! Works almost always if you time it right and it hurts like hell when you counter them.

 

[ssssmashing]

There are a couple things you can try. If you catch the leg, shoot for a takedown. As you suggested you can also sweep or kick the supporting leg.

Ideally you want to step out on an angle to set up your own kick or if they are coming forward use your hands for a jab or blindside hook.

Another thing you may want to try is a hard block of the leg. Forcing the leg down hard. This will force the person to come forward and plant. This sets up the hands and short leg strikes and knees.

Depending on what he's throwing you can also drop your elbow on to the instep of the foot t settle him down. You have to be careful with this though because you can leave your head open for a counter.

 

[P-Town BeatDown]

All good stuff guys. thanks a lot. I will definately be trying them all come next session.

I like this one of catching kicks. Sweep the kicking leg to the side wide enough that your opponent must put weight on that leg in order to stand and prevent falling. Now that there's weight on it... good! Kick it! Works almost always if you time it right and it hurts like hell when you counter them.

T.C....I am trying to picture this in my head, but can't quite get past the bad angle I keep ending up in in my mind. Which side do you sweep the front-kick to and how are you setting up a kick to that leg? I am thinking that if I "throw" the leg in the direction your "supposed to" (left kick swept to my right and visa versa) I end up in between his legs. This is good for punching, but I like your kick idea better (I have been leg kicked several time when just throwing a right moving forward so I know what you are saying about it hurting like hell). Does that make sense?

There are a couple things you can try. If you catch the leg, shoot for a takedown. As you suggested you can also sweep or kick the supporting leg.

Another thing you may want to try is a hard block of the leg. Forcing the leg down hard. This will force the person to come forward and plant. This sets up the hands and short leg strikes and knees.

ssssmashing...If it were MMA I would kiss the guy for throwing this kick. I guess I should have specified. For the most part though I see this in the straight MT sessions. I love the hard block down idea though. This would definately mess with his balance, which is always fun to take advantage of. I will see if I can get it to work in application.

 

[US Tomato Can]

All good stuff guys. thanks a lot. I will definately be trying them all come next session.



T.C....I am trying to picture this in my head, but can't quite get past the bad angle I keep ending up in in my mind. Which side do you sweep the front-kick to and how are you setting up a kick to that leg? I am thinking that if I "throw" the leg in the direction your "supposed to" (left kick swept to my right and visa versa) I end up in between his legs. This is good for punching, but I like your kick idea better (I have been leg kicked several time when just throwing a right moving forward so I know what you are saying about it hurting like hell). Does that make sense?

When you throw to the leg to the side I am assuming they are orthodox. You still sweep the leg like normal to your right. Once you sweep their left leg to your right you can switch step and kick them to the inside of the thigh with full power off your left. If you're like me the lower ankle is the target whenever possible. Why? Because like the movie quote from Robin Hood: "It'll hurt more". Though if their balance is not the best a good mid thigh Kick above the knee works good too.

 

[P-Town BeatDown]

When you throw to the leg to the side I am assuming they are orthodox. You still sweep the leg like normal to your right. Once you sweep their left leg to your right you can switch step and kick them to the inside of the thigh with full power off your left. If you're like me the lower ankle is the target whenever possible. Why? Because like the movie quote from Robin Hood: "It'll hurt more". Though if their balance is not the best a good mid thigh Kick above the knee works good too.

I think I gotcha. One thing though, Am I pivoting 45 degrees or so as I throw the leg out, or am I trying to throw it out far enough to where the angle is already there?

 

[US Tomato Can]

I think I gotcha. One thing though, Am I pivoting 45 degrees or so as I throw the leg out, or am I trying to throw it out far enough to where the angle is already there?

You want to throw it out enough that you do a minimum of readjusting. BTW I don't know if you saw it but I think I actually met Mr.Wijers once. Very cool guy.

 

[P-Town BeatDown]

You want to throw it out enough that you do a minimum of readjusting. BTW I don't know if you saw it but I think I actually met Mr.Wijers once. Very cool guy.

Yeah, I think it was in a post a couple of days ago. Definately a cool guy, and, IMO, a great instructor. We just had a guy (HW) get another win at Rumble at the Roseland this Saturday. They think he is up for the title next time around. Didn't take Kru long to get him there either.

anyways, thanks for the tip T.C.. I will try it wed morning!

 

[Marvin Covar]

circle and jab, and since you're an infighter, close the distance.

 

[P-Town BeatDown]

circle and jab, and since you're an infighter, close the distance.

agreed, but this is kind of a "defensive" tactic IMO. I am sort of looking for an immediate, " wow, I won't throw that kick again" type of counter.

 

[sugarboyae]

underhook & wishbone sweep.

that'll make them never wanna throw kicks again.

closing distance is the only way to do it. continually attack them and do not let up pressure or them regain their space. it'll make them very on edge and mentally they will not attack you.

 

[CowboyPete]

I'm not sure about the specific rules of MT in relation to throwing your opponent down but I've seen it enough to assume they don't deduct points. If you've caught the kick, one thing you can do is grab it with both hands and lift it as high as you can (over your head even) while walking toward him. The guy will lose his balance and end up on his ass. It doesn't hurt that much, obviously, but it's a good discouragement to using that technique on you if he knows that most of the times he throws the kick, he'll have to be getting up off the floor shortly after.

 

[jlagman]

The moment you catch the kick, there are two things you should immediately do:

1. place your glove on his shoulder to impede his ability to punch
2. start plowing forward and disrupting his balance

 

[shok9]

Which side do you sweep the front-kick to and how are you setting up a kick to that leg? I am thinking that if I "throw" the leg in the direction your "supposed to" (left kick swept to my right and visa versa) I end up in between his legs.

I've always been taught to parry the teep away with the opposite hand.
Say both fighters are orthodox. You throw a lead leg (left) teep to me. I'd parry it away to my left using my left hand rotating at the elbow in a circular outwards motion.
This would leave you with your left leg forward and crossed over your right leg. (wide open for my right low kick)

Does this make any sense to you? Sounds like you might parry it the other way?

 

[Caddock]

After I "scoop" the kick out of the way I am always way to far out to use my hands, so I end up going for a rear leg-to-rear leg inside leg kick to close the distance (and sometimes sweep the guy if I am lucky)..

How about, if the lead leg teep comes (left for this scenario) scoop it with your left hand in a clockwise motion to the outside. This negates the right cross or the right kick. (may set them for a spinning technique) As you let their leg go kick it, or step in and throw you own right cross or right knee.

Lead teep: instead of the standard scoop catch the heel with the right hand palm. You'll have to step back a little so you don't eat the kick. Pull the almost straight back and let it slide past you, you are pulling them off balance towards you. Open for the right hand here, so pull hard. As they lurch forward you can kick the front of their standing thigh with a quick left kick, you can 'sidekick' their supporting thigh, you can use your left hand or elbow.

lead teep: counter clockwise scoop with right hand, and pull them towards and past your body. same caveat as above for their right hand so left hand up. As you let go of their kicking leg - right elbow or hand depending on distance.

You really have to pull the person off balance though or they will counter you.