Another No-Gi convert

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Now I've been doing judo for 4 years, competed and won in international tournaments, and I've been doing BJJ for a month, but recently I tried a No-Gi class, and just wow. I felt like a kid in a candy store. I'm loving it.

Strangely I found it also easier than GI and I was able to pass the guard and do various techniques easier.
 
welcome to the darkside my friend. I love no-gi, much faster and scramblier (I made that word up, scramblier: as in more scrambling).
I'm surprised a judoka like yourself enjoys no-gi more. I'd think that you would have an advantage when it comes to grips with the gi.
Where abouts do you train?
 
i did no gi before i did judo and i must say i do love to get the no gi wrestling type grips and so on and it is easier to scramble and escape armbars, but since doing judo i findmyself more technical from my guard and obviously better standing up. in a perfect world i cud do both every week alternating
 
wellrounded said:
Now I've been doing judo for 4 years, competed and won in international tournaments, and I've been doing BJJ for a month, but recently I tried a No-Gi class, and just wow. I felt like a kid in a candy store. I'm loving it.

Strangely I found it also easier than GI and I was able to pass the guard and do various techniques easier.

yeah I go from nogi to gi shit and i find everything so much more complicated.

~Foz
 
Rory McDonell said:
I made that word up, scramblier: as in more scrambling).

I would also like to support 'scramblier' as a word meaning more scrambly, and 'scrambly' as a word meaning scrambling.
 
I have already made the commitment that when I shell out for privates every once in a while (I have the money right now and the desire to improve) it will be purely for no Gi. I am still new but the few times I have had the chance I have loved it twice as much as working with the gi (which I have learned to enjoy).
 
Rory McDonell said:
welcome to the darkside my friend. I love no-gi, much faster and scramblier (I made that word up, scramblier: as in more scrambling).
I'm surprised a judoka like yourself enjoys no-gi more. I'd think that you would have an advantage when it comes to grips with the gi.
Where abouts do you train?
Ottawa.
 
wellrounded said:
Now I've been doing judo for 4 years, competed and won in international tournaments, and I've been doing BJJ for a month, but recently I tried a No-Gi class, and just wow. I felt like a kid in a candy store. I'm loving it.

Strangely I found it also easier than GI and I was able to pass the guard and do various techniques easier.

easier is right.. gi is much tougher
 
no-gi really changed my overall game, although I can't say I prefer one over the other. I'm more mindful of when I last shaved my legs w/ nogi, that's about it, lol.
 
Yes, I converted after my first tournament. And yes, "scramblier" aptly describes the feel of no-gi. I'm tired of slow, unathletic types stifling my movements because they know how to do some Jedi shit with their gis. :icon_chee
 
Gsoares2 said:
easier is right.. gi is much tougher

yes it is. gi forces you to use good technique to pass guard and escape from bad positions. its much easier to take a gi off and be good at no gi then the other way around. GI is just the shit.
 
I still enjoy gi, even though no-gi can be a little more fun somtimes. I guess it kind of translates as no-gi is like casual Friday at work after a week of nice slacks, a button up shirt, and a tie.
 
lockjaw211 said:
yes it is. gi forces you to use good technique to pass guard and escape from bad positions. its much easier to take a gi off and be good at no gi then the other way around. GI is just the shit.


Nonsense. It's MUCH easier to teach an explosive athlete to slow down than a passive one to speed up. If you haven' trained and developed a dynamic, quick, and decisive game then it is very difficult to suddenly learn it. Teaching somebody with a no-gi game to simply slow down a little and feel out the game more while gi grips hold the action in check is comparatively much easier. I have instructed the jj guys I train with how to wrestle, and I've recently gotten a couple of the wrestlers I coach to train jj, and I have found it MUCH easier to get people to slow down there minds and movements than to get people to speed them up.


That said, I love gi grappling, and I love no gi grappling. I train both every week like most people, and I find both to be quite enjoyable in their own way.
 
DaRuckus337 said:
Nonsense. It's MUCH easier to teach an explosive athlete to slow down than a passive one to speed up. If you haven' trained and developed a dynamic, quick, and decisive game then it is very difficult to suddenly learn it. Teaching somebody with a no-gi game to simply slow down a little and feel out the game more while gi grips hold the action in check is comparatively much easier. I have instructed the jj guys I train with how to wrestle, and I've recently gotten a couple of the wrestlers I coach to train jj, and I have found it MUCH easier to get people to slow down there minds and movements than to get people to speed them up.


That said, I love gi grappling, and I love no gi grappling. I train both every week like most people, and I find both to be quite enjoyable in their own way.
Good post. I like that you were able to make a point and explain it rather than just call the other guy with the opposing view a dumbass for not thinking the same way you do.
 
DaRuckus337 is biased. His sampling is probably not comparable based on my experience with population of the typical wrestling practice versus the typical BJJ practice. He is a wrestling coach and wrestled for a long time. That definitely colors his perception. I certainly don't like him. He said I sucked without ever meeting me or seeing how I do. That implies that he rushes to judgments without all the facts, at least with my experience.

His argument makes no sense, anyway. There is a lot more static strength involved in gi, but there is a lot of dynamic explosive motion as well. You have to be explosive, since you have to overcome rough clothing with a lot of friction. Hesitating allows your opponent to get his grips and that's not good as well.

Lockjaw211 is also biased, since he does mainly gi. However, he is a good no-gi grappler and speaks from experience. Most high-level grapplers like Marcello Garcia agree with him. My experience collaborates Lockjaw's statement to a certain degree. I started in no-gi, wrestled in high school, and I do more no-gi than gi. However, when I started gi, I hated it and found it very hard to adapt for a while. Now I find each the same difficulty and I like neither better or worse.

After thinking about it, I came to a reasonable conclusion. Actually it depends on what you're good at. Some people are better at gi, and others are better at no-gi. NEITHER IS HARDER THAN THE OTHER BY ITS NATURE. Some people are fast twitchers and others are slow twitchers. Generally for technique, GI seems harder. There are just more options than in no-gi. For control, no-gi is harder. People are more slippery and often use simple power because gripping is harder. What you have to do is what you are not-as-good at.

Someone on this forum stated you do something until it is easy, then you find a way to make it hard. I want challenges, and that means doing something that isn't as easy as it normally would be. So wrestlers should put on the gi. It may make a lot of their instincts not as effective, but that makes it helpful. The mantra of wrestling should be "hard work" and forgoing the gi because it is too hot or negates too much of your instincts is counter to that philosophy. OTOTH, gi grapplers should remember to take off the kimono as well. They must learn to work without as good grips or with slippery opponents. Some gi grapplers said that the kimono makes them feel "safe" - which is insane in my humble opinion - and they should learn to work outside their safety zone.
 
Frodo said:
DaRuckus337 is biased. His sampling is probably not comparable based on my experience with population of the typical wrestling practice versus the typical BJJ practice. He is a wrestling coach and wrestled for a long time. That definitely colors his perception. I certainly don't like him. He said I sucked without ever meeting me or seeing how I do. That implies that he rushes to judgments without all the facts, at least with my experience.

His argument makes no sense, anyway. There is a lot more static strength involved in gi, but there is a lot of dynamic explosive motion as well. You have to be explosive, since you have to overcome rough clothing with a lot of friction. Hesitating allows your opponent to get his grips and that's not good as well.....


What the hell are you talking about? I don't know you. I've never said you suck. I have no idea who you even are or what you do. Am I somewhat biased concerning the usefulness of wrestling? Of course I am. I never claimed to be otherwise. There are plenty of biased jj practitioners here as well though, and I don't see why you need to make this debate so personal. I roll gi and no gi. I like them both. I just find it easier to teach an explosive athlete to slow down then to teach a passive one how to execute techniques explosively. One takes willpower and an understanding of the pace needed. The other takes retraining the way a person's body functions, which takes much longer to achieve. Get a life and stop calling people names. If you wanted to make it personal, just PM me - I would be happy to debate with you. Stop acting like a childish dick because you have a keyboard in front of you and can't be held accountable for your words. I had probably accomplished more in competitive grappling before my 18th birthday than you ever will, and now I both instruct athletes and continue to train as one. I deserve more respect than you're giving me. I'm sure if we were talking in person, you wouldn't be so quick to rush to judgment and insult me.
 
guys cool it down. its the internet

Another reason I like no gi is because I feel I am doing the techniques with the use of a tool (the gi) and it eliminates that factor
 
I am definetly biased in favour of no-gi (long wrestling back ground). That being said however, I have rolled with Marcello Garcia, and I respect his opinion. I wish I had the time to put the gi on and train, but I have to be a little bit more selective about what I'm going to use in my training. Idealy I'd train 8 hours a day 7 days a week, but thats not realistic. Hard and easy don't really enter into the equation. Its more like directly useful vs. potentially useful.
 
I love both. Gi is harder and more challenging so for me it's more fun.
 
I used to hate no gi when i just started and thought that gi was much easier since you can do more fakes(like faking a collar choke and going for an armbar from both guard and mount) but now im starting to like no-gi more because i enjoy the faster pace
 
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