Anderson Silva when he was fighting at 170

[TriangleMonkey]

The frame on that man to had made 170 in the past gawdwam....holy vascular highways of blood filled oxygen raceways going there.......

 

[CodyMckenziesPrime]

Definitely has PEDs in his history

 

[CodyMckenziesPrime]

And people argue that he never took steroids

Not really anymore, now it’s just “he was dancing with Weidman” and “his leg broke”, if your leg snaps from a checked kick while you’re on the juice that should count as 2 losses, imo.

 

[acannxr]

Silva would have subbed him, dan henderson is a more dangerous version of Matt and silva took his back and subbed him. Hughes would have fell in the web

Silva was getting subbed by the likes of Takase and Chonan back then; citing the Henderson fight, which was years later (and likely after a lot more time spent training submissions given his losses to the aforementioned Takase and Chonan) is disingenuous to say the least.

 

[gono btw]

Ask Takase and Otsuka babyboi..........

meh... Did you even watch Pelé vs Hughes & Spider/Pelé vs Ronin?
Otsuka was much bigger & Takase had a more dangerous submission game than Hughes.

 

[PunchKicker]

half his fans spew that garbage "oh he only did it to heal his hurtied leg. he would never cheat before his hurtied leg"

just makes me laugh because I know they obviously never saw him before he got to the UFC

Lot of butt hurt GSP fangirls in this thread. GSP already said Silva >>>>>>> GSP so don't be so butt hurt. So don't let that butt hurt blind your vision of Roid(G)SP.

 

[PunchKicker]

Also how does sherturd logic show that being low body fat equals roid use? Silva had very low body fat and no big bulky muscles. I feel like a lot of sherturds see someone with visible defined abs, which also means that they have more defined muscles overall and equate that to being on roids. Granted Roy Nelson could be on roids but having a real low body fat, with very defined abs doesn't mean you are on roids.

 

[IloveTHIS]

Lot of butt hurt GSP fangirls in this thread. GSP already said Silva >>>>>>> GSP so don't be so butt hurt. So don't let that butt hurt blind your vision of Roid(G)SP.

literally never mentioned GSP. you did. stop projecting

 

[Superman Elbow]

literally never mentioned GSP. you did. stop projecting

Right but that's the compairson made when bringing up his peds is that someone else was just as good but clean, when the truth is gsp sure looks like he hit the juice after the first serra loss.

 

[dildos]

Much vascular...

looked def on the peds since then.

imho Hughes would have beaten him.

 

[Superman Elbow]

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The only reason Silva subbed Hendo was because he stunned and dropped him with strikes which led to him following him to the mat and RNC'ing him.

And that was at 185 where Silva's power was at its best. Hughes had a very good chin in his prime.

And Dan is not a more dangerous version of Hughes in the slightest. Hendo stopped using his wrestling during the end of his pride tenure due to fused neck and damaged back vertabrae. As such he became a head hunter and rarely shot for a TD. Hughes used wrestling first and striking second throughout his entire career.

Do you really think Silva would have been as strong at 170 (technically 169) as he was with a much less aggressive weight cut?

How you gonna say silva could stun dan at middle weight but at ww he all the sudden couldn't stun Matt hughes? Lol that's now how power works. If anything it's the opposite, they hit harder against the smaller man. Just like we saw with conor at fw.

 

[dildos]

literally never mentioned GSP. you did. stop projecting

Anderson fans just upset buds.

 

[pankrat]

Hughes would've run him over. Just look at both of their fights with Mach. Hughes made Mach look like a complete scrub in one of the most one sided title fights ever

Did you actually see Silva vs Mach?
I do agree Hughes would have a good chance vs WW Silva in 2001. But Silva could definitely replicate what Pele did on Matt or he himself did on Carlos Newton.
Silva around 2005 under Nogueira beats any version of Hughes at whatever weightclass imo

 

[Dirge]

How you gonna say silva could stun dan at middle weight but at ww he all the sudden couldn't stun Matt hughes? Lol that's now how power works. If anything it's the opposite, they hit harder against the smaller man. Just like we saw with conor at fw.

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Because he would be cutting 15 more pounds of weight to make 170 which is the weight at which Hughes competed. Silva is already very lean. To cut 15 more pounds it would be muscle mass that would go. It's not that complicated.

Look at Robert Whittaker. When he fought in the UFC at 170, he had exactly one finish by strikes. When he moved up to 185 he had 4 and that includes finishes against Brunson and Souza, both guys with very good chins. Clearly not having to cut to 170 improved his power.

After all carrying 15 more pounds of muscle mass is going to make you stronger....

 

[Superman Elbow]

?

Because he would be cutting 15 more pounds of weight to make 170 which is the weight at which Hughes competed. Silva is already very lean. To cut 15 more pounds it would be muscle mass that would go. It's not that complicated.

Look at Robert Whittaker. When he fought in the UFC at 170, he had exactly one finish by strikes. When he moved up to 185 he had 4 and that includes finishes against Brunson and Souza, both guys with very good chins. Clearly not having to cut to 170 improved his power.

After all carrying 15 more pounds of muscle mass is going to make you stronger....

So why did conor do better at fw than lw and better at lw than ww?

 

[Substance Abuse]

Anderson was a top fighter in three weight classes.

 

[Dirge]

So why did conor do better at fw than lw and better at lw than ww?

Did you see conors weight cuts? He had no sane reason to be at 145. He's a decent sized 155 pounder

And he ko'd aldo a guy that now fights at 135...


Besides Conor is a horrible example. He has exactly 2 fights at 155 since he moved up and 3 at 170. He finished Alvarez and Cerrone easily and fought Nate Diaz, a guy with an insane chin.

 

[13Seconds]

Anderson was a top fighter in three weight classes.

Pretty crazy when you stop and think about it.

He was ranked as the #1 welterweight in the world after beating Sakurai, became the GOAT Middleweight and whopped the former champ at LHW.

 

[Mob69]

People forget that young Silva beat the consensus number one WW in the world, Hayato Sakurai, in his EIGHTH professional fight. Sakurai was high on everyone's P4P list at the time. Silva beat him in August 2001 while still being *far* from polished and the finished article (he was less of a counter-fighter, most notably). So Silva was briefly ranked as number one WW in the world. Three months later Carlos Newton lost the UFC strap to Matt Hughes in violent fashion after being powerbombed while simultaneously putting Hughes to sleep with a choke, and at that point most people would have said Hughes was number one at WW. But Silva then faced Newton in Pride in March 2003 and, 18 months after beating Sakurai, took Newton's head off with a flying knee. So within 18 months Silva had beaten the number one WW in the world in Sakurai, and then Newton as well.

Young Silva was too skinny for Hughes, and lacked the ground game that he later developed. My money is on Hughes. On the other hand Silva had very long legs and knew how to use them protect himself on the ground. A very aggressive guard passer in Sakurai had no luck in getting his top game going against Silva. On the feet, Silva was way better. So who knows? Hughes would be a deserved favourite but the point is that young Anderson did some great work at 170, taking out elite guys at an early stage of his career.

 

[Mob69]

bah... ask Pelé.

At that point Sakurai was fucked up after a car crash, I believe. He was also *really* a LW and got smashed by a much stronger man with the skillset required to cause problems. Still, Sakurai was the man at one point.