An Objective take at ''GOAT'' debate

Discussion in 'UFC Discussion' started by Bodil, Feb 8, 2019.

  1. BeardotheWeirdo

    BeardotheWeirdo Silver Belt

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2006
    Messages:
    11,359
    Likes Received:
    5,356
    Location:
    Earth: We're All One
    The steroid category says it all.

    You're not as unbiased as you think you are.

    The title reign category doesn't factor in Prides way of doing things. Fedor was the top HW for a very long time. To have Cormier above him in that category is ridiculous.

    I could go on

    You tried.

    But as @Bobby Boulders pointed out, the whole debate is very subjective.


    To truly be objective you need a poll.
     
    Bobby Boulders likes this.
  2. dildos

    dildos Gold Belt

    Joined:
    Nov 2, 2011
    Messages:
    18,466
    Likes Received:
    33,237
    Location:
    Sydney
    Colour me rustled.

    {<jimmies}{<jimmies}{<jimmies}

    <45><45><45>
     
    ermac88 likes this.
  3. Brandon Wilson

    Brandon Wilson Amateur Fighter

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2006
    Messages:
    3,839
    Likes Received:
    1,123
    Location:
    Your Mom's house.....
    Quit being obtuse. You used the words 'conveniently retired before they came to town'. Implying that GSP retired because USADA was going to be implemented. Which is patently and demonstrably false.

    He retired because of their refusal to implement stricter testing. Not because he knew stricter testing was coming.
     
  4. JRubin

    JRubin Green Belt

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2010
    Messages:
    961
    Likes Received:
    221
    Wasnt even the best in the stone age. GTFO
     
    gono btw likes this.
  5. ermac88

    ermac88 Red Belt

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2010
    Messages:
    7,560
    Likes Received:
    1,964
    Shit was " convenient", he left before stricter testing came. Whether intentional or not.

    Hes had 1 fight under USADA testing
     
  6. DatSamboKid

    DatSamboKid Black Belt

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2013
    Messages:
    5,360
    Likes Received:
    3,826
    Location:
    Muay Khao
    I don’t disagree with this list, it makes sense.
     
  7. ermac88

    ermac88 Red Belt

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2010
    Messages:
    7,560
    Likes Received:
    1,964
    A poll would be even more subjective

    Shogun and Connor would make the list
     
  8. HendoIsChamp

    HendoIsChamp Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

    Joined:
    Mar 21, 2017
    Messages:
    842
    Likes Received:
    763
    Goat is the combination of a fighters record with the strenght of their opposition with a dash of strength of division. The only answer is GSP. Everything else is just opinion.
     
  9. gono btw

    gono btw Rounds...

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2018
    Messages:
    8,560
    Likes Received:
    12,544
    "stone age"...was already Modern Era, ya ´tard.

    Outtah My Sight, ya goof! lmao

    stree.gif
     
    JRubin likes this.
  10. Brandon Wilson

    Brandon Wilson Amateur Fighter

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2006
    Messages:
    3,839
    Likes Received:
    1,123
    Location:
    Your Mom's house.....
    I don't think you know what the word convenient means .

    It's ok, I realize you've got some bullshit agenda to push. I'm done talking to you, don't bother replying.
     
  11. Sirwastealot

    Sirwastealot Red Belt

    Joined:
    May 3, 2010
    Messages:
    9,155
    Likes Received:
    5,206
    Fedor and GSP are in the top 2 spots, this is known. You can switch their orders around according to your criteria but as of right now no one else legitimately has that claim.
     
  12. ermac88

    ermac88 Red Belt

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2010
    Messages:
    7,560
    Likes Received:
    1,964
    Obviously the fact that GSP left prior to USADA, " conveniently" has triggered you.

    But its a fact. He left prior to USADA
     
  13. SuperNerd

    SuperNerd Season Mode.

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2005
    Messages:
    52,174
    Likes Received:
    24,101
  14. JRubin

    JRubin Green Belt

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2010
    Messages:
    961
    Likes Received:
    221
    Yup, Royce = Modern Era.....
     
    gono btw likes this.
  15. Prototype

    Prototype Orange Belt

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2019
    Messages:
    388
    Likes Received:
    1,095
    Thousand faces ? Whats that buddieh?
     
    gono btw likes this.
  16. gono btw

    gono btw Rounds...

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2018
    Messages:
    8,560
    Likes Received:
    12,544
    It´s HOYCE, mutha.

    odb.gif
     
  17. youllneverwalkalone

    youllneverwalkalone Green Belt

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2018
    Messages:
    1,107
    Likes Received:
    2,077
    In general I agree with you, but even with stats there is a lot of subjectivity involved (e.g. your "quality of opponents" and "PED use"). Also, you decided that all criteria should weight equally. That's fair enough but that is again, a subjective decision.

    I would also argue that stats require large sample size to be credible, and MMA hasn't been around enough and has also undergo too many changes (e.g., rules, scoring systems, anti-doping, etc.) that render this sort of analyses more problematic than you make it look.
     
  18. mkt

    mkt Silver Belt

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2007
    Messages:
    13,457
    Likes Received:
    4,782
    This only makes sense if they've all been tested in the same way under the same orgs. Silva and Jones tested clean for many years in the pre-USADA UFC, which is probably stricter than anything Fedor has been under. And before anyone says Bellator and Strikeforce test, remember Ubereem, Barnett, Bigfoot and others were clean there, then got busted quickly in the pre-USADA UFC.
     
  19. FKA

    FKA THAT BELLATOR GUY/World Cup of MMA Ringmaster

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2017
    Messages:
    2,092
    Likes Received:
    2,497
    Location:
    Valley 2 the Bay.....Modesto/Newark CA

    P4P DOES NOT EXIST it's a marketing tool by promotions and a fantasy discussion for hardcore fans.......that's it.

    You CANNOT accurately compare fighters from different weight classes it cannot be done.

    There ARE GOATs of weight classes but there will never be 1 definitive greatest of all time.For one there isnt even a set criteria it's all opinion based and varies from person to person.It all just boils down to your own personal criteria and opinion of what is better or worse.


    These threads are a dime a dozen and none ever prove anything.
     
  20. FKA

    FKA THAT BELLATOR GUY/World Cup of MMA Ringmaster

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2017
    Messages:
    2,092
    Likes Received:
    2,497
    Location:
    Valley 2 the Bay.....Modesto/Newark CA
    Barnett popped under Affliction before the UFC.

    pre USADA ufc had identical testing to every other promotion they were under WADA code same shit every other promotion still uses today. USADA follows WADA code too the main differences is they have more funding for random testing.
     

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.