An Objective take at ''GOAT'' debate

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  1. I WILL CUT YOU

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    TS there is no objective way to crown the GOAT.

    This thread, same style of ranking point system, has been done many times.

    You didn't invent some infallible way to rank all-time greats, or bring anything new to the GOAT debate.

    You subjectively designed criteria around your personal choice for GOAT, and in doing so you've wasted your time.

    You've done the forum equivalent of running on a treadmill-- you did something, but you didn't go anywhere.



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  3. Nueman43

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    In all fairness, when someone is in their prime and seemingly unbeatable, don't they appear to be the greatest?
     
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    You're so objective bro.
     
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    Cant be GOAT if ya dont D2BG.

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    Not every catagory is of the same importance so awarding the same number of points for no 1-2-3-4-5-6 in every catagory doesn't make sense, simply because some things matter more then others and should get more points then others.
    The smarter people already know there is no way to ever decide who is GOAT, it's a pointless and impossible discussion.
     
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    Cant be GOAT if you D2BG and fail miserably though, like Saku on how many occasions??

    Since when did we start handing out gold medals for participation??
     
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    So the fourth guy on your list beat the first guy twice (I get the peds asterisk, but seriously?). I like your attempt at fight math but doesn't entirely add up.

    I think most reasonable minds would go something like Fedor - Jones - MM then Silva - Aldo - GSP. Cormier's great but I think he's too fresh of an addition to give anything beyond the bottom of the list, we have to see what his accomplishments look like in retrospect without all the hype. The UFC machine is strong.
     
  9. Brandon Wilson

    Brandon Wilson Amateur Fighter

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    Or you know, someone with an attention span bigger than a 4 yr olds.

    But this is sherdog after all.
     
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    The fact that you rank MM above GSP makes anything you say invalid.
     
  11. Fight Professor

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    How the hell is DC ranked so high in the title reign? He has never beaten the real LHW champ and should be the last one there. His HW opponent list is not that strong except for Stipe.
     
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    Fedor NEVER participated under USADA or even in the big leagues. When he fought under sanction organizations he was getting destroyed.

    GSP has had 1 fight under USADA and conveniently retired before they came to town.

    Fighters not being held to same metric
     
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    Our friend is a man of...Thousands Faces...

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    Weird
    why doesnt this list losses, title losses nor losses to fighters from lower weight classes
    or quality of title defences?

    agenda possibly?
     
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    GSP retired 19 months before the UFC announced their partnership with USADA.

    He retired because Dana and the UFC treated him (their biggest star at the time), like shit and refused to implement stricter testing.

    He also was in the USADA testing pool for something like 14 months prior to the Bisping fight, and was tested 15 or so times under USADA.

    Basically, you don't have a clue what you're talking about.
     
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    Shit up you dirty little whore.
     
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    Ya really dont know what ya´re talkin´ about, dude.

    While bums like ya wank off No Rush beatin´a bum like BS-Ping, SAKU G., as a natural WW, was beatin´:[in his prime]

    LHWs: Vernon White,Vitor Gracie,Ebenezer Fontes Braga,Rampage,Randleman,Ken (out of his prime)

    HW: Marcus Silveira,

    Draw: Guy Mezger (LHW), Goes (LHW) [realistically lost this one]

    Losses: Wand (LHW),Arona (LHW), Kimo (HW),Crocop (close fight and SAKU on top on the ground b4 the cut), Igor (close fight, after SAKU had battled durring 90 mns against Hoyce), Schembri.

    See how clueless ya are...
     
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    If you want to be objective, then you're going to have to explain this part a lot, lot better. Winning a fight is the most objective measurement of which fighter is superior. I think you probably mean that a guy like Mitrione isn't more skilled than MM, and I think pretty much all MMA fans would agree. But now you've already added an element of subjectivity, because you subjectively believe that skill should be isolated out as the key ingredient of the best fighter. But objective tests prove that hypothesis incorrect. Skill matters, but so do being big and fast to the extent that in the case of MM vs Mitrione, Matt's size and strength are clearly the key factor making him an objectively superior fighter to MM.
     
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    Umm how does that negate the fact that GSP had 1 career fight under USADA and left before they were implemented?
     
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    haha
    triggered?
     
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