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Agreed...
It would help protect fighters from themselves...
It would help protect fighters from themselves...
An Illegal Knee to the Head should be an auto DQ/NC
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the refs role is to bring in the doctor to evaluate the fighter.
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Probably for legalities, the fighter needs to say how they are first. And then there might be fighters who want to jump back in who weren't even hurt. Letting the fighter make the call is the best. Imagine if nut shots or eye pokes were an auto DQ lmao, we would have DQ's for 1/4 of the fights.
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To what end? Aljo's risk of serious injury goes way up because he's severely comporomised. Even if Aljo wins due to the 2 point deduction everyone still calls him a paper champ and he still deals with the same BS fallout.
This situation was handled perfectly. The cheater was punished. The winner was awarded exactly according to the rule book. There will be a rematch scheduled to determine who's the better man in a fair fight. There is nothing there to complain about.
People just don't want a fair outcome, they want the guy they like to be the winner.
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I think it all played out just fine. THAT knee was vicious. But sometimes it's just a graze or barely connects or even misses but looked like it connected.
It will play out as it should. There will be a rematch and he either is a champion and wins or he is a paper champ and loses.
Who cares.
It will play out as it should. There will be a rematch and he either is a champion and wins or he is a paper champ and loses.
Who cares.
Agree and same with point deductions for a foul like an eyepoke or low blow. Ref shouldn't be deciding if it's intentional or not unless it's blatantly unintentional like the foot slides up a thigh. You look at how calls are made in the NFL where if someone grabs a facemask, it's a penalty, even if they didn't mean to. A foul is a foul.
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It is...the ref fucked up.
There was not suppose to be questioned asked thats for accidental fouls...this was intentional
the issue is whether he was compromised after a break in the action. smith was able to continue. bisping was able to continue 1 minute after a big knee to the head. kongo was able to continue during a round when he took huge shots to the head. people presuming that a fighter can't continue because they took a shot to the head aren't remembering other situations.
that said, every situation is different and it's possible sterling was compromised too much. but i'm not sure we got an honest assessment of that. sorta give him the benefit of the doubt but i don't think he did himself well from an optics standpoint.
the ref gets the fighter to the doctor to evaluate the fighter.
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Let's say it's only 50/50 that an enormous unfair advantage could lead to serious injury for the fighter who's done nothing wrong and huge financial and career benefits the the cheater... why should we be OK with that?
If a fighter gets a consussion in a fair fight and he ends up in diapers when he's 45, that's a risk he signed up for. If you set the rules so there's an enormous upside to illeagally injuring someone a little, so that you will have an easier time severly injuring them later... that's not a risk these guys singed up for.
Just don't cheat.
look, either he was recovered enough to continue, or he wasn't. the fighter fouling bears the risk that he losses because of the foul. but the fouled fighter does bear some responsibility in the equation. if he can continue, and he's not compromised after evaluation from the doctor, he shouldn't be faking it just to get a win. again, only sterling knows how compromised he was. but it's bullshit to just say take the win and fake it if you have to.
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That's for accidental fouls...this was no accident... shouldn't of be a question if he could continue instead it should of been stopped without doubt
it's not just for accidental fouls.
https://www.abcboxing.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/unified-rules-mma-2019.pdf
If a fighter is fouled by blow that the referee deems illegal, the referee should stop the action and call for time. The referee may take the injured fighter to the ringside doctor and have the ringside doctor examine the fighter as to their ability to continue on in the contest. The ringside doctor has up to 5 minutes to make their determination. If the ringside doctor determines that the fighter can continue in the contest, the referee shall as soon as practical restart the fight. However, unlike the low blow foul rule, the fighter does not have up to 5 minutes of time to use at their discretion.
For a foul other than a low blow, the fouled fighter is not guaranteed 5 minutes of recovery time. If deemed not fit to continue by the referee or ringside physician, the referee must immediately call a halt to the bout. If the fighter is deemed not fit to continue by the referee or ringside physician but some of the five minute foul time is still remaining, the fighter cannot avail himself of the remaining time.
If the referee stops the contest and employs the use of the ringside doctor, the ringside physician's examinations shall not exceed five minutes. If five minutes is exceeded, the fight cannot be re-started and the contest must end
The thing about this rule is that the ringside doctor doesn't really do much. Most of the time they just ask the fighters how they feel etc. So at the end of the day it puts the burden on the hurt fighter to make a decision which is wrong.
I don't think anyone should get a free shot at someone's head, even if he is "fine" to continue, you created a huge disadvantage for yourself.
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In the same document you sent
3. The referee may terminate a bout based on the severity of a foul. For such a flagrant foul, a
contestant shall lose by disqualification.
This was just above the time consideration part you sent ...
For clear and intentional fouls it can be called 100% DQ...No drs needed...
the doctor is there to evaluate the fighter. it can be clear to a doctor based on how a fighter responds that they aren't fit to continue, even if they claim they are.
and again, noone is saying a fighter should get a free shot. yan was going to get points deducted if the fight continued. what we are saying is that if a fighter is fit to continue, the fight should continue. and we are saying is don't oversell your condition. it's not a good look.
that's for the severity of the type of foul itself, not the impact of the foul.
illegal knees like are generally not the type of foul that is contemplated there. certainly not in that situation. think sims against mir, or a blatant late shot, or tyson holyfield.
