An example of how far MMA has to go in the striking

[Macalpinerules]

When I see this little example of good boxing by Andre Ward it reminds me of how far striking in MMA has to travel to become good. You could watch 1000 UFC fights and never see something this technical standing.

1)Catch the Jab.
2)Counter straight off the catch with the same hand. "catch and shoot".
3)as soon as he lands the straight he immediately sees his opponent wants to counter with a left hook, so he picks up the same hand he "caught and countered" with and brings it up for defense while simultaneously rolling his head to take power off the punch. the videos stops short but it would have shown Ward coming back with a left hand counter that fell a little short. The coordination and reaction time that it takes to pull this off is ridiculous.

 

[Shammon]

When you train multiple disciplines, you're not going to be as proficient in any one discipline as someone who exclusively trains that discipline.

 

[nanika]

its easier to "strike technically" when you dont have to worry about the shoot or the other guy breaking your arm off, choking you unconscious, knee bars etc

 

[KONE]

Todd Duffee alone set the sport back a few years

When you train multiple disciplines, you're not going to be as proficient in any one discipline as someone who exclusively trains that discipline.

But yeah, this

its easier to "strike technically" when you dont have to worry about the shoot or the other guy breaking your arm off, choking you unconscious, knee bars etc

and this

 

[FedorGOAT]

Andre Ward doesn't have to care about Flying gogoplata

 

[Biblical]

It's much harder to cact the jab with small gloves.


Having said that Andre Ward says dem Diaz boys have hands.......he is the reason I know Nate Diaz will destroy Conor.

Andre Ward>Conors Camp

 

[The lord of bones]

Are you serious? Andre ward has been undefeated since he was 12 years of age and is probably the P4P best active fighter in boxing right now, he makes other boxers look bad.

 

[Hans Gercmiov]

I'd like to see him do that while defending a double leg.

 

[Anderson Silva]

When I see this little example of good boxing by Andre Ward it reminds me of how far striking in MMA has to travel to become good. You could watch 1000 UFC fights and never see something this technical standing.

1)Catch the Jab.
2)Counter straight off the catch with the same hand. "catch and shoot".
3)as soon as he lands the straight he immediately sees his opponent wants to counter with a left hook, so he picks up the same hand he "caught and countered" with and brings it up for defense while simultaneously rolling his head to take power off the punch. the videos stops short but it would have shown Ward coming back with a left hand counter that fell a little short. The coordination and reaction time that it takes to pull this off is ridiculous.

Only Anderson comes close

 

[Ceez]

 

[BigMuffler]

Striking =/= boxing.

Of course boxers will have better and more refined offense and defense with/against hands than kickboxers and MMA fighters because all they train is fighting with/against hands. They don't have to train kicks, knees, elbows, GnP etc. or defense against them so their overall 'striking' isn't inarguably better. Boxers are better at punching/defending punches.

 

[McGangsta]

Nick Diaz puts it perfectly:

many mma fighters don't even know fundamental basic boxing, let alone the advanced techniques andre be showing

 

[Calipwnia]

When I see this little example of good boxing by Andre Ward it reminds me of how far striking in MMA has to travel to become good. You could watch 1000 UFC fights and never see something this technical standing.

1)Catch the Jab.
2)Counter straight off the catch with the same hand. "catch and shoot".
3)as soon as he lands the straight he immediately sees his opponent wants to counter with a left hook, so he picks up the same hand he "caught and countered" with and brings it up for defense while simultaneously rolling his head to take power off the punch. the videos stops short but it would have shown Ward coming back with a left hand counter that fell a little short. The coordination and reaction time that it takes to pull this off is ridiculous.

Ward doesn't have to worry about takedowns, clinching, kicks, knees, elbows, JBJ finger pokes or GSP laying on him. He has the freedom to be brilliant with his hands.

 

[Tycho]

Eh, if there was an mma fighter with Ward's level of boxing he'd be a boxer, not an mma fighter.

Its the trade off which happens when you train multiple skills.

 

[own1997]

You simply can't have that stance in MMA. It's a completely different sport. You'll be taken down and destroyed in moments.

 

[FenoxSky]

An example of how far boxing has to go in the striking.
"They don't know how to kick".

I'm just kidding, but yeah, boxers box very good, this is not anything new.

 

[Coolidge]

What's amusing is you posted this thread as if you genuinely believed Andre Ward is the standard in boxing. You could pick apart the striking of many of the guys in boxing. Ward is the exception, not the rule.

 

[Daywalker300]

boxers dont have to worry about getting taken down there for they can focus 100% on striking

 

[deviake]

When you train multiple disciplines, you're not going to be as proficient in any one discipline as someone who exclusively trains that discipline.

It always baffles me that this needs to be explained.

 

[BiC Fist]

Easy

When I see this little example of good boxing by Andre Ward it reminds me of how far striking in MMA has to travel to become good. You could watch 1000 UFC fights and never see something this technical standing.

1)Catch the Jab.
2)Counter straight off the catch with the same hand. "catch and shoot".
3)as soon as he lands the straight he immediately sees his opponent wants to counter with a left hook, so he picks up the same hand he "caught and countered" with and brings it up for defense while simultaneously rolling his head to take power off the punch. the videos stops short but it would have shown Ward coming back with a left hand counter that fell a little short. The coordination and reaction time that it takes to pull this off is ridiculous.

It's easy to be slick when you have:

• only your hands to work with
• giant gloves to block/absorb shots
• no threat of kicks or knees
• no threat of clinch fighting
• no threat of the TD