An enemy of the state

Hit-N-Run said:
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What don't you understand about no scat porn?

I kid, I kid.
 
VivaRevolution said:
I have never been to Cuba, but I have read about the banana wars, and watched the only two countries to ever rival the US in the post WWII era, both be Communist nations in the USSR and China, so I am skeptical of the claim that political ideology really has a whole lot to do with economic prosperity.

I do believe that the economic system the USSR employed was bound to collapse, but I am confused in how Venezuela, and Cuba are any less of a market economy than China, or Norway is.

Now Venezuela's corruption, and Fidel's authoritarianism is a very seperate issue than if the state should own the oil, I think.
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It’s not a separate issue, you’re just too naive or wear rose colored glasses to know the true nature of people when faced with meager prospects. No manifesto no core idea ever takes into account the personal aspects. It’s all one in the same I’m sorry to tell you....corruption and authoritarianism are all part of the same game
 
AlexDB9 said:
It’s not a separate issue, you’re just too naive or wear rose colored glasses to know the true nature of people when faced with meager prospects. No manifesto no core idea ever takes into account the personal aspects. It’s all one in the same I’m sorry to tell you....corruption and authoritarianism are all part of the same game
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Tell that to Norway, who let's the state own the oil.
 
AnGrYcRoW said:
Don't be a bitch , tag someone if you are going to talk shit about them .

It's common courtesy .
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he's still salty from last week. it's ok. he's been tagged in the OT & in the WR lounge chat - complete silence. poor wittle Alejandra.
 
VivaRevolution said:
Tell that to Norway, who let's the state own the oil.
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I’d love to see how many Americans want to be taxed like your precious Nordic countries. Do you realize they are moving away from your highly touted “democratic socialism”? Reducing taxes, cutting government involvement, and reducing the generosity of the welfare state....almost like it can’t go one forever. Their real success was due to limits not the oxymoron “democratic socialism”
 
AlexDB9 said:
I’d love to see how many Americans want to be taxed like your precious Nordic countries. Do you realize they are moving away from your highly touted “democratic socialism”? Reducing taxes, cutting government involvement, and reducing the generosity of the welfare state....almost like it can’t go one forever. Their real success was due to limits not the oxymoron “democratic socialism”
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I do.

Because I know what they get for those tax dollars.

Of course we are so much more wealthy as a nation than Norway, that our taxes wouldn't have to be nearly as high.

But hey, I agree in general. The checked and balanced system, in a nation of laws is what matters.

This is why you should agree with me when I say corruption, and too big to jail, is the real threat to this country today.

That Trump is normalizing the corruption that has become so rampant.

I never thought I would see the day that the law and order right, supported a guy like Trump.
 
VivaRevolution said:
I have never been to Cuba, but I have read about the banana wars, and watched the only two countries to ever rival the US in the post WWII era, both be Communist nations in the USSR and China, so I am skeptical of the claim that political ideology really has a whole lot to do with economic prosperity.

I do believe that the economic system the USSR employed was bound to collapse, but I am confused in how Venezuela, and Cuba are any less of a market economy than China, or Norway is.

Now Venezuela's corruption, and Fidel's authoritarianism is a very seperate issue than if the state should own the oil, I think.
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I don’t know, I’m not well enough educated on these specifics to offer a valid response, I can only tell you that every socialism I’ve ever experienced has been a nightmare (Yugoslavia, Cuba, and I also spent two weeks in Maracaibo, Venezuela back just before Chavez died and it was a nightmare then, and from what I hear it’s gotten a lot worse since).

USSR and China I only know about from history books, wonderful stories about Stalin, the Gulags, Solzhenitsyn’s book, Mao, the starvations of tens of millions, etc. But I wasn’t there so that’s just information that’s available to anyone.

All I can say is that from my personal experience, from my wife’s experience, and from the accounts of just about any other immigrant I’ve talked to, the western capitalism is the system that’s worked best compared to all those others we mentioned, and it’s not close.

I don’t know a Russian who wants to go back to the old USSR, I don’t know a Cuban who lives abroad and wants to migrate back to Cuba. I also don’t know a single Cuban here in the island who doesn’t want to leave for anywhere but here, and some are doing it by means you couldn’t imagine.

I’m not some hardcore right winger, I’m open to discussion but ffs can someone on the left offer a better solution instead of just complaining about the problems with capitalism.
 
"Please dump this thread, while we all continually respond to it"
 
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Koro_11 said:
I don’t know, I’m not well enough educated on these specifics to offer a valid response, I can only tell you that every socialism I’ve ever experienced has been a nightmare (Yugoslavia, Cuba, and I also spent two weeks in Maracaibo, Venezuela back just before Chavez died and it was a nightmare then, and from what I hear it’s gotten a lot worse since).

USSR and China I only know about from history books, wonderful stories about Stalin, the Gulags, Solzhenitsyn’s book, Mao, the starvations of tens of millions, etc. But I wasn’t there so that’s just information that’s available to anyone.

All I can say is that from my personal experience, from my wife’s experience, and from the accounts of just about any other immigrant I’ve talked to, the western capitalism is the system that’s worked best compared to all those others we mentioned, and it’s not close.

I don’t know a Russian who wants to go back to the old USSR, I don’t know a Cuban who lives abroad and wants to migrate back to Cuba. I also don’t know a single Cuban here in the island who doesn’t want to leave for anywhere but here, and some are doing it by means you couldn’t imagine.

I’m not some hardcore right winger, I’m open to discussion but ffs can someone on the left offer a better solution instead of just complaining about the problems with capitalism.
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Look man, this is the key.

You ask for a example of massive social programs, and state ownership of natural resources that works, I will point you to Scandinavia, which has what we have. A checked and balanced system, where no one is supposed to be above the law.

It isn't that Norway has massive social programs, and state owned natural resources that makes them great.

It is a lack of corruption, and rule of law.

This is what the USSR, China, Cuba, Venezuela all lack.

This is my view of things. Many seem to disagree. Take it for what it is worth, which is a opinion.
 
Koro_11 said:
I don’t know, I’m not well enough educated on these specifics to offer a valid response, I can only tell you that every socialism I’ve ever experienced has been a nightmare (Yugoslavia, Cuba, and I also spent two weeks in Maracaibo, Venezuela back just before Chavez died and it was a nightmare then, and from what I hear it’s gotten a lot worse since).

USSR and China I only know about from history books, wonderful stories about Stalin, the Gulags, Solzhenitsyn’s book, Mao, the starvations of tens of millions, etc. But I wasn’t there so that’s just information that’s available to anyone.

All I can say is that from my personal experience, from my wife’s experience, and from the accounts of just about any other immigrant I’ve talked to, the western capitalism is the system that’s worked best compared to all those others we mentioned, and it’s not close.

I don’t know a Russian who wants to go back to the old USSR, I don’t know a Cuban who lives abroad and wants to migrate back to Cuba. I also don’t know a single Cuban here in the island who doesn’t want to leave for anywhere but here, and some are doing it by means you couldn’t imagine.

I’m not some hardcore right winger, I’m open to discussion but ffs can someone on the left offer a better solution instead of just complaining about the problems with capitalism.
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Welcome to sherdog karate forum politics. You go against the astute liberals and you’re a Trump supporting redneck sister banger living in Kentucky. It’s normal. Most people here are just former Democrats
 
VivaRevolution said:
Look man, this is the key.

You ask for a example of massive social programs, and state ownership of natural resources that works, I will point you to Scandinavia, which has what we have. A checked and balanced system, where no one is supposed to be above the law.

It isn't that Norway has massive social programs, and state owned natural resources that makes them great.

It is a lack of corruption, and rule of law.

This is what the USSR, China, Cuba, Venezuela all lack.

This is my view of things. Many seem to disagree. Take it for what it is worth, which is a opinion.
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Ok, I honestly don’t know much about Norway but if it’s a free market system that rewards those who work more and doesn’t take from their pockets to give to those who don’t contribute, I’m all for it.

And of course I have no sympathy for the corrupt or the filthy rich who find loopholes in the law and don’t pay their share.
 
Koro_11 said:
Ok, I honestly don’t know much about Norway but if it’s a free market system that rewards those who work more and doesn’t take from their pockets to give to those who don’t contribute, I’m all for it.

And of course I have no sympathy for the corrupt or the filthy rich who find loopholes in the law and don’t pay their share.
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It's both. You can work hard, and do much better, and they also take from the have's and give to the have not's.
 
lol @ all the Libs in here calling for the ‘dump’ but have zero issues when one of their own makes an equally ridiculous thread.
 
America would be a wasteland if republicans really ran things their way.

Schools for blind and deaf children would have toxic waste dumped on them by corporations with laws signed by republicans making it legal.
 
Ûdun Ghuephd said:
At what point should we the people, label the democrat's as enemies of the state? Rather then do the job they are supposed to do, they have waged a war against our fairly elected president. We all know how bias and hate filled the media has always been but now the officials are attacking the office of the president.

Liberalism has become a cult in the US. A cult of pure hate and intolerance. The elected party officials are now openly attacking the office of the president and our elected president himself. I believe the Democratic party in the US has become an enemy to this country, the people and the Constitution. I believe we need to call for something to be done. Weaponizing the impeachment process has gone too far. Now every president will be subject to an impeachment just because the other party doesn't like them. It's criminal.

Time to abolish the Democrat party and label liberalism as a cult of hate, IMO.
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they said they wanted to impeach him before he was even sworn into office. you cant impeach a normal american citizen. but i guess they eventually won. they got him.
 
KONG-D'SNT-TAP said:
America would be a wasteland if republicans really ran things their way.


Schools for blind and deaf children would have toxic waste dumped on them by corporations with laws signed by republicans making it legal.
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Absolutely pathetic argument. The left always tries to make it sound like Republicans are evil and careless about people. What a crock. Republicans and democrat's have good and bad actors and both care for the people. This is just more of the fanatical, liberalist arguments that are baseless and pure hatred
 
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