Crime America's National Park DM&R Backlog Swells, US Congress Proposes More Cuts

It's Libs of tiktok, so I expect idiotic outrage porn as a baseline. This is exceedingly stupid even for her.

1. The NPS is just using the name of the holiday. If she's got a problem with that it has nothing to do with the NPS specifically.

2. The fee free days were out in place to encourage people that might otherwise be deterred by a 30 or 35$ entrance fee at some of the big parks.

You are 100% correct about the July 4th weekend. There is a specific reason why that's not included, because it would only exacerbate an already dreadfully crowded holiday rush at many of the large national parks around the country. It's the same reason why you don't see labor day on the list.

3. I'm clearly biased as a ranger, but anyone who legitimately believes that defunding the National Park Service is a good idea, is a complete fuckin moron.

I'd say anyone who believes that is an anti-American extremist. Wtf could possibly be more American, the Bill of Rights? The fuckin' Rodeo? lol. The idea and establishment of National Parks is straight-up one of the greatest gifts this country has ever given the world. Obviously, the system itself existed prior to the creation of the park service, and it was also an absolute mess with many battles fought for their protection prior to the creation of a dedicated agency. We need more and much better compensated rangers. The floor on annual funding should be set at no less than $25 billion; it's currently stuck at under $4b -- a whopping 0.05% of the federal budget. Absurd.
 
I'd say anyone who believes that is an anti-American extremist. Wtf could possibly be more American, the Bill of Rights? The fuckin' Rodeo? lol. The idea and establishment of National Parks is straight-up one of the greatest gifts this country has ever given the world. Obviously, the system itself existed prior to the creation of the park service, and it was also an absolute mess with many battles fought for their protection prior to the creation of a dedicated agency. We need more and much better compensated rangers. The floor on annual funding should be set at no less than $25 billion; it's currently stuck at under $4b -- a whopping 0.05% of the federal budget. Absurd.
like I said, minimum increase of 4x on the budget.

It’s insane we spend so much on other failed projects but don’t fund this.
 
I'd say anyone who believes that is an anti-American extremist. Wtf could possibly be more American, the Bill of Rights? The fuckin' Rodeo? lol. The idea and establishment of National Parks is straight-up one of the greatest gifts this country has ever given the world. Obviously, the system itself existed prior to the creation of the park service, and it was also an absolute mess with many battles fought for their protection prior to the creation of a dedicated agency. We need more and much better compensated rangers. The floor on annual funding should be set at no less than $25 billion; it's currently stuck at under $4b -- a whopping 0.05% of the federal budget. Absurd.

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This is Chuck Sams. The head of the NPS. He's regularly out visiting parks and meeting with front line rangers. He talks a great game about improving things in the NPS.

But at this point nobody is buying what he's selling. Frankly, we are tired of lip service and the "do more with less" bullshit that has pushed many people I know to leave the park service, and has many others very close to jumping ship.

If Chuck really wanted to fix things in the NPS, he shouldn't be taking tours of Yellowstone and posing for photo ops with rangers. He should be in DC, sucking off whichever politicians he needs to, to start some momentum to increase funding for the NPS.

You'd think it would be something easy to lobby for. It's an agency that is incredibly popular on both sides of the political aisle, and many Congress people have park units in their districts that directly boost their local economy through tourism.

It blows my mind that no one takes it up as a cause. It seems like a no brainer.
 
Why don't we give the maintenance contracts to Boeing and Raytheon, they would figure a way to increase the budgets.
 
Spent a few days in Death Valley last month and it was incredible. We got up super early and went to Mesquite Flats for sunrise and hiked around and took a shitload of pictures before it started getting hot. I’d never seen sand dunes before and it just blew me away. I would have stayed all day but it ended up being 115 in the afternoon and I didn’t want to fuck around and get in trouble out there.

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- I had two childrenhood friends, that used to go to that park to steal picnic baskets.
 
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This is Chuck Sams. The head of the NPS. He's regularly out visiting parks and meeting with front line rangers. He talks a great game about improving things in the NPS.

But at this point nobody is buying what he's selling. Frankly, we are tired of lip service and the "do more with less" bullshit that has pushed many people I know to leave the park service, and has many others very close to jumping ship.

If Chuck really wanted to fix things in the NPS, he shouldn't be taking tours of Yellowstone and posing for photo ops with rangers. He should be in DC, sucking off whichever politicians he needs to, to start some momentum to increase funding for the NPS.

You'd think it would be something easy to lobby for. It's an agency that is incredibly popular on both sides of the political aisle, and many Congress people have park units in their districts that directly boost their local economy through tourism.

It blows my mind that no one takes it up as a cause. It seems like a no brainer.

Yeah, his tenure has mostly been a disappointment so far. The only thing I've noticed is an uptick in Native American cultural heritage projects - which I have no issue with it all in principle - but not a whole lot else. There were higher hopes when he was appointed because the NPS didn't even have an official director during the entire Trump Admin. It was a total shitshow and revolving door of acting/interims temporarily filling the role, and the 2018-19 government shutdown (the longest in US history) was a disaster too for a lot of different reasons. Unfortunately, NPS HQ seems just as rife with typical DC bureaucratic nonsense as any other agency, detached from the actual sites and rangers working in the field that manage the lands and directly engage with the public.
 
Yeah, his tenure has mostly been a disappointment so far. The only thing I've noticed is an uptick in Native American cultural heritage projects - which I have no issue with it all in principle - but not a whole lot else. There were higher hopes when he was appointed because the NPS didn't even have an official director during the entire Trump Admin. It was a total shitshow and revolving door of acting/interims temporarily filling the role, and the 2018-19 government shutdown (the longest in US history) was a disaster too for a lot of different reasons. Unfortunately, NPS HQ seems just as rife with typical DC bureaucratic nonsense as any other agency, detached from the actual sites and rangers working in the field that manage the lands and directly engage with the public.

Yea, there's nothing Sams has specifically done wrong from what I've seen. And he has done some small positive things like add some more employee housing at big parks like Yellowstone. But overall it's just more of the same. No urgency to try to use his position to go directly to Congress to ask for more funding.
 
You are 100% correct about the July 4th weekend. There is a specific reason why that's not included, because it would only exacerbate an already dreadfully crowded holiday rush at many of the large national parks around the country. It's the same reason why you don't see labor day on the list.

I know it's against better judgment to head up to GCNP for the 4th, but the last few have just been spent at home grilling and hanging out by the pool. That's usually good enough, but my kindergartener has never been there and is so excited to earn his junior ranger badge, lol. It also falls directly on the new moon phase, so the dark sky stargazing is going to be completely out of this world, literally and figuratively.

I love that you can get two very different experiences out of the same national park depending on whether you visit the south rim (7000 ft elevation) or north rim (8000-8800 ft elevation). The south boasts an incredible amount of accessibility, available amenities, interpretative exhibits, historic buildings, a full staff of park rangers, and probably the most iconic sweeping overlooks. The north is far more remote, drastically less commercialized, and has far fewer crowds (only 10% of annual visitation). The south is probably better for 1st timers, but I usually recommend the north for serious outdoors and nature loving people like @Natural Order or older couples looking to avoid the chaos like @koquerelle and his wife.

We are going north on the 4th. The higher elevation changes everything about the climate, precipitation, life zones, and environment as a whole. You get a far more dense surrounding forest of evergreens and aspens interspersed with lush alpine meadows punctuated by wildflowers that run right up to the rim and it rivals the beauty of anything to be found in California, Wyoming, or Montana for me. The formations of the canyon (and its numerous side canyons) itself from this perspective tend to be a lot more colorful and dramatic. I think of it as everything Teddy Roosevelt believed a national park experience should be, in every way. It's also the only place you can see North America's largest mammal and bird species in the same park.
 
The American West is so geologically blessed for scenery man, god damn. It's wild that Colorado, Wyoming, Utah, Arizona and (begrudgingly) California alone have an outright lion's share of the contiguous 48's natural wonders and certainly the crown jewel parks. Like literally two dozen full blown national parks and countless dozens of other national monuments and national recreation areas between them.
Agree.
But not convinced that Colorado belongs amongst those other states.
 
Agree.
But not convinced that Colorado belongs amongst those other states.

Colorado is home to the 30 highest peaks of the entire Rocky Mountain range (including Canada), and yet not a single damn one of them looks as imposing or aesthetically impressive to the eye as Grand Teton in Wyoming. I've found that almost nothing does; the Tetons are the GOAT of North America. There are no foothills on their eastern side -- they just fucking explode into sky above the sagebrush and it's very dramatic.



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This broad really isn't very bright.



Uh, where to start? There really shouldn't be any free entrance days given the dire budget the NPS is forced to work with, the parks need all of the extra funding they can get. Nevermind that it's already dirt cheap to begin with and one pass covers an entire car load of people. The 4th of July is by far the busiest day of the entire year; it's harrowing to even imagine the absolute chaos and wholesale destruction that would be left in its wake at sites across the country by waiving desperately needed entry fees. The official name was also designated and enacted by the 117th US Congress, not the National Park Service -- "Defund It!". Fucking Spastic.

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Juneteenth National Independence Day? Did Congress actually vote to make that a National Holiday? I thought was a Texas thing

lol... Who cares if the parks are free on that day. No one is catering a holiday schedule around it. And National Parks aren't really a thing in Texas.

Now... If they made river tubing, mudding parks and beaches free on those days? Giddy up
 
The American West is so geologically blessed for scenery man, god damn. It's wild that Colorado, Wyoming, Utah, Arizona and (begrudgingly) California alone have an outright lion's share of the contiguous 48's natural wonders and certainly the crown jewel parks. Like literally two dozen full blown national parks and countless dozens of other national monuments and national recreation areas between them.

I'd put Idaho and Montana ahead of Arizona.

Glacier Park is unreal. And I just love how Idaho has so much less development. Half of Wyoming is wind blown flat lands, but it west side shares amazing areas with Idaho. And most of Idaho has remote wilderness.

I spent four years in Vernal, UT for a project and explored all around Utah, Wyoming and Idaho. Fell in love with the area around Flaming Gorge and The Green River.

I was born and raised in Colorado... and the massive influx of Gapers (our slang for out of staters) in 90's/early 2000's turned me off of the state. I only go back to visit family in Durango now.

lol... My brother coined the term "Gapers" for Out of Staters and Tourists when we worked the ski resorts in the 80's. You could always tell them because they walked around with eyes up and mouths open like window lickers.

Yes... As teenagers, we had massive disdain for tourists. Californians, New Yorkers and Texans... hated them all. Especially when they were driving 15-20mph over mountains passes... It was massive road rage to get stuck behind one. We'd pass them and they'd be white knuckled on the steering wheel. Loveland, Wolfcreek and Red Mountain passes were the worst for shitty tourist drivers.

We lived on mountains as kids and felt like they were trespassers.

I guess we're all shitheads at one time or another. I definitely don't feel that way now. Getting old I guess
 
I am a huge national park fan, enjoy travelling and have a seasonal work from home job and travel almost half the year.

Still haven't done Yellowstone for whatever reason.

Who are the 42% of people who support the IRS?!?!?!?!!?!?

The massive numbers of people ruined Yellowstone for me. Felt like I was driving around the San Diego zoo at times with the constant rush hour traffic and huge crowds at every stop. I've only been once and didn't really enjoy.

If there's such a thing as an off season for Yellowstone, I'd go then... but the I think the park closes during the winter.
 

01. Glacier (Montana)
02. Yellowstone (Wyoming)
03. Yosemite (California)
04. Grand Canyon (Arizona)
05. Grand Teton (Wyoming)
06. Zion (Utah)
07. Denali (Alaska)
08. Kenai Fjords (Alaska)
09. Bryce Canyon (Utah)
10. Redwood (California)
11. Arches (Utah)
12. Sequoia (California)
13. Olympic (Washington)
14. Hawai'i Volcanoes (Hawaii)
15. Mount Rainier (Washington)



I often forget that place even exists, same for the Guadalupe Mountains. Texas is not my jam but uh, good for Texans and their proud culture stuff and power grids, I guess. I'm still absolutely baffled that my cousin and her husband gave up their ranch in Wyoming to go live over there. 🤣
Only missing Grand Canyon, Bryce Canyon (apparently Canyons aren't that cool to me) Redwood, Sequioia and Hawaii on that list

Road trip to Cali and a flight to Hawaii when kids are older might not be a bad idea
 
The massive numbers of people ruined Yellowstone for me. Felt like I was driving around the San Diego zoo at times with the constant rush hour traffic and huge crowds at every stop. I've only been once and didn't really enjoy.

If there's such a thing as an off season for Yellowstone, I'd go then... but the I think the park closes during the winter.
Most of the facilities are closed, but the park itself is still open. Big thing is to know which roads are still open, and even then they can close without notice due to weather conditions

 
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