Opinion Americans are the worst patients in the world

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As most know american healthcare costs are highest in the world despite similar or worse outcomes than other countries, there are many reasons why but this guy pins some of the blame on the american patient. Poor diet, poor exercise, don't get regular checkups, don't take medications, demand tests and drugs they don't need, etc. Interesting read

But lost in these discussions is, well, us. We ought to consider the possibility that if we exported Americans to those other countries, their systems might end up with our costs and outcomes. That although Americans (rightly, in my opinion) love the idea of Medicare for All, they would rebel at its reality. In other words, we need to ask: Could the problem with the American health-care system lie not only with the American system but with American patients?

One hint that patient behavior matters a lot is the tremendous variation in health outcomes among American states and even counties, despite the fact that they are all part of the same health-care system. A 2017 study published in JAMA Internal Medicine reported that 74 percent of the variation in life expectancy across counties is explained by health-related lifestyle factors such as inactivity and smoking, and by conditions associated with them, such as obesity and diabetes—which is to say, by patients themselves. If this is true across counties, it should be true across countries too. And indeed, many experts estimate that what providers do accounts for only 10 to 25 percent of life-expectancy improvements in a given country. What patients do seems to matter much more.


Somava Saha, a Boston-area physician who for more than 15 years practiced primary-care medicine and is now a vice president at the nonprofit Institute for Healthcare Improvement, told me that several unhealthy behaviors common among Americans (for example, a sedentary lifestyle) are partly rooted in cultural norms. Having worked on health-care projects around the world, she has concluded that a key motivator for healthy behavior is feeling integrated in a community where that behavior is commonplace. And sure enough, healthy community norms are particularly evident in certain places with strong outcome-to-cost ratios, like Sweden. Americans, with our relatively weak sense of community, are harder to influence. “We tend to see health as something that policy making or health-care systems ought to do for us,” she explained. To address the problem, Saha fostered health-boosting relationships within patient communities. She notes that patients in groups like these have been shown to have significantly better outcomes for an array of conditions, including diabetes and depression, than similar patients not in groups.

American patients are frequently overtreated, especially with regard to expensive tests that aren’t strictly needed. The standard explanation for this is that doctors and hospitals promote these tests to keep their income high. This notion likely contains some truth. But another big factor is patient preference. A study out of Johns Hopkins’s medical school found doctors’ two most common explanations for overtreatment to be patient demand and fear of malpractice suits—another particularly American concern.

In countless situations, such as blood tests that are mildly out of the normal range, the standard of care is “watchful waiting.” But compared with patients elsewhere, American patients are more likely to push their doctors to treat rather than watch and wait. A study published in the Journal of the American Board of Family Medicine suggested that American men with low-risk prostate cancer—the sort that usually doesn’t cause much trouble if left alone—tend to push for treatments that may have serious side effects while failing to improve outcomes. In most other countries, leaving such cancers alone is not the exception but the rule.

as many prescriptions as possible.)


American patients’ flagrant disregard for routine care is another problem. Take the failure to stick to prescribed drugs, one more bad behavior in which American patients lead the world. The estimated per capita cost of drug noncompliance is up to three times as high in the U.S. as in the European Union. And when Americans go to the doctor, they are more likely than people in other countries to head to expensive specialists. A British Medical Journalstudy found that U.S. patients end up with specialty referrals at more than twice the rate of U.K. patients. They also end up in the ER more often, at enormous cost. According to another study, this one of chronic migraine sufferers, 42 percent of U.S. respondents had visited an emergency department for their headaches, versus 14 percent of U.K. respondents.

Finally, the U.S. stands out as a place where death, even for the very aged, tends to be fought tooth and nail, and not cheaply. “In the U.K., Canada, and many other countries, death is seen as inevitable,” Somava Saha said. “In the U.S., death is seen as optional. When [people] become sick near the end of their lives, they have faith in what a heroic health-care system will accomplish for them.”




https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/07/american-health-care-spending/590623/
 
Whenever I'm the hospital the nurses always tell me I'm a joy.
 
Whenever I'm the hospital the nurses always tell me I'm a joy.
...when you leave.

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A person said a thing about an entire population by comparing it to others, based on having treated 0.0000001% of that population and treating 0.0% of other popuations. Is believable. To idiots.
 
We ought to consider the possibility that if we exported Americans to those other countries, their systems might end up with our costs and outcomes.

no system in the world could provide sustainable healthcare for people with an American diet
 
A person said a thing about an entire population by comparing it to others, based on having treated 0.0000001% of that population and treating 0.0% of other popuations. Is believable. To idiots.
what doesn't having treated them have to do with proven poor diet, exercise, lack of regular checkups, getting more tests and drugs than needed based on demands or fear of being sued, which are all documented facts of our healthcare system?
 
what doesn't having treated them have to do with proven poor diet, exercise, lack of regular checkups, getting more tests and drugs than needed based on demands or fear of being sued, which are all documented facts of our healthcare system?

Yes, why does having personal knowledge of a minute amount of people get in the way of applying it to all people?

Derpified minds want to know.

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Something not mentioned is missed appointments...since insurance pays the bills patients don't give a shit if they miss their appointment and their insurance company is still billed. This is a MASSIVE problem with the VA...back in 2011-2012 the VA was claiming that something like 50% of appointments ended up being "no show / no calls." This in turn pushes everybody down the waiting list and thereby increasing wait times, which in turn has the potential to make minor problems more problematic.
 
Other countries don't call the US a nation of fat asses for nothing.

If people in this country ate less processed foods and sugar and exercised more, are overall health care costs would be much less. I'd be curious to see how much a country like Japan spends on healthcare annually.

But don't fat shame.
 
One huge problem is we’ve made being fat and lazy a normal thing with the advent of things like “fat shamming” and the like
 
One huge problem is we’ve made being fat and lazy a normal thing with the advent of things like “fat shamming” and the like
Sounding kinda bigoted there, bro.
 
Other countries don't call the US a nation of fat asses for nothing.

If people in this country ate less processed foods and sugar and exercised more, are overall health care costs would be much less. I'd be curious to see how much a country like Japan spends on healthcare annually.

But don't fat shame.
Every time I‘m in the US I wonder why so few people ride bikes. Maybe that’s because I visited the wrong places though.
 
Every time I‘m in the US I wonder why so few people ride bikes. Maybe that’s because I visited the wrong places though.
In some cities, there are a fair amount of bike riders.. like Chicago and other East Coast cities. But we've got nothing on Europe. But people are just lazy in general here.

This is a country where you'll see someone literally circle a parking lot at the mall 20 times to find a spot that's five spaces closer to the door instead of just parking back a bit and walking the extra few feet. I've parked in the back of parking lots, walked to the door and still see same person circling the lot for a closer spot.
 
It sounds like American patients really test their doctors' patience.
 
As most know american healthcare costs are highest in the world despite similar or worse outcomes than other countries, there are many reasons why but this guy pins some of the blame on the american patient. Poor diet, poor exercise, don't get regular checkups, don't take medications, demand tests and drugs they don't need, etc. Interesting read

But lost in these discussions is, well, us. We ought to consider the possibility that if we exported Americans to those other countries, their systems might end up with our costs and outcomes. That although Americans (rightly, in my opinion) love the idea of Medicare for All, they would rebel at its reality. In other words, we need to ask: Could the problem with the American health-care system lie not only with the American system but with American patients?

One hint that patient behavior matters a lot is the tremendous variation in health outcomes among American states and even counties, despite the fact that they are all part of the same health-care system. A 2017 study published in JAMA Internal Medicine reported that 74 percent of the variation in life expectancy across counties is explained by health-related lifestyle factors such as inactivity and smoking, and by conditions associated with them, such as obesity and diabetes—which is to say, by patients themselves. If this is true across counties, it should be true across countries too. And indeed, many experts estimate that what providers do accounts for only 10 to 25 percent of life-expectancy improvements in a given country. What patients do seems to matter much more.


Somava Saha, a Boston-area physician who for more than 15 years practiced primary-care medicine and is now a vice president at the nonprofit Institute for Healthcare Improvement, told me that several unhealthy behaviors common among Americans (for example, a sedentary lifestyle) are partly rooted in cultural norms. Having worked on health-care projects around the world, she has concluded that a key motivator for healthy behavior is feeling integrated in a community where that behavior is commonplace. And sure enough, healthy community norms are particularly evident in certain places with strong outcome-to-cost ratios, like Sweden. Americans, with our relatively weak sense of community, are harder to influence. “We tend to see health as something that policy making or health-care systems ought to do for us,” she explained. To address the problem, Saha fostered health-boosting relationships within patient communities. She notes that patients in groups like these have been shown to have significantly better outcomes for an array of conditions, including diabetes and depression, than similar patients not in groups.

American patients are frequently overtreated, especially with regard to expensive tests that aren’t strictly needed. The standard explanation for this is that doctors and hospitals promote these tests to keep their income high. This notion likely contains some truth. But another big factor is patient preference. A study out of Johns Hopkins’s medical school found doctors’ two most common explanations for overtreatment to be patient demand and fear of malpractice suits—another particularly American concern.

In countless situations, such as blood tests that are mildly out of the normal range, the standard of care is “watchful waiting.” But compared with patients elsewhere, American patients are more likely to push their doctors to treat rather than watch and wait. A study published in the Journal of the American Board of Family Medicine suggested that American men with low-risk prostate cancer—the sort that usually doesn’t cause much trouble if left alone—tend to push for treatments that may have serious side effects while failing to improve outcomes. In most other countries, leaving such cancers alone is not the exception but the rule.

as many prescriptions as possible.)


American patients’ flagrant disregard for routine care is another problem. Take the failure to stick to prescribed drugs, one more bad behavior in which American patients lead the world. The estimated per capita cost of drug noncompliance is up to three times as high in the U.S. as in the European Union. And when Americans go to the doctor, they are more likely than people in other countries to head to expensive specialists. A British Medical Journalstudy found that U.S. patients end up with specialty referrals at more than twice the rate of U.K. patients. They also end up in the ER more often, at enormous cost. According to another study, this one of chronic migraine sufferers, 42 percent of U.S. respondents had visited an emergency department for their headaches, versus 14 percent of U.K. respondents.

Finally, the U.S. stands out as a place where death, even for the very aged, tends to be fought tooth and nail, and not cheaply. “In the U.K., Canada, and many other countries, death is seen as inevitable,” Somava Saha said. “In the U.S., death is seen as optional. When [people] become sick near the end of their lives, they have faith in what a heroic health-care system will accomplish for them.”




https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/07/american-health-care-spending/590623/

Knowing your sources is a wildly powerful thing. This "guy" isn't a guy, she's a medical doctor by training only who works for something called the Institute for Healthcare Improvement which is itself a decendant of the National Demonstration Project on Quality Improvement in Health Care which is an early 90's think tank designed to streamline Hospital Administration, or in other words, save the hospitals money on your treatment. So this article is and this doctor are in affect saying "stop costing the hospital so much money you dirty peasants".
 
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