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Discussion in 'Grappling Technique' started by Oleg Raktatov, Aug 26, 2015.

  1. Oleg Raktatov Blue Belt

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    So guys,


    Anyone here gets regular success against decent grapplers with this lock or a variation?

    I do get good results with some catch variations, but i must not be the only one?
     
  2. dmwalking Sapateiro Belt

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    I tend to find it with ease for some reason. I do love finding it from bottom side though.
     
  3. HtomSirveaux Blue Belt

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    Alternative thread title: any fat guys on sherdog?
     
  4. Canned Tuna Silver Belt

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    Lol

    No, TS, I don't. I seem to have an abnormal amount of success with kimuras especially considering that I'm not stocky or very strong for my weight, but tbh I never really look for the americana.
     
  5. FinBJJ Black Belt

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    I threaten with it from mount sometimes, but it usually ends up being just to bait. Kimura is far superior, so I mostly go for that.
     
  6. Russky Green Belt

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    Yesterday I submitted one of our best purple belts who is ~20kg heavier with americana from side mount. I get more success with kimura from side/north, though.
     
  7. Zankou Bringing peace and love Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Came here to post this, beaten to it.

    Although the other classic fat guy attack, the papercutter choke from side control, is possibly my highest-percentage submission nowadays.

    Guess this means (a) I'm fat and (b) I should take another look at the americana.
     
  8. Oleg Raktatov Blue Belt

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    To be fair, i use a variation from mount that requires less strenght and is very powerful :

    See this vid at 2:35 and follow up with technique at 2:45

    http://youtu.be/RJ2qMmXg_uA


    I also have other follow ups and variations


    Just went far in the study of that techniques i guess, but its a tech that every black belt think they know but are generally inneficient with it.

    Hence, me asking if other people here took time to study it a bit...
     
  9. Hellboy31 Brown Belt

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    Americanas and straight arm locks from top half are two of my highest percentage submissions. People love to hate on Americanas for some reason but it's just as good a submission as any.
     
  10. Andrewit White Belt

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    I've been having a lot of success with kpoz's kimura/armlock tips and some stuff josh Barnett showed I some vids, but applying them to Americanas
     
  11. Oleg Raktatov Blue Belt

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    If you dont mind taking the time to share, i am interested.


    Its the whole point of my thread: when you think you are good AT something, someone else is far ahead of you in that field.

    I am looking for that someone

    Thanks
     
  12. Andrewit White Belt

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    Josh has a YouTube vid series about hand control and using that + pressure to isolate the arm/tire your opponent out. Kpoz has a thread "who wants to snuggle?" That has him explain how he uses rotational force/pressure with his extending motion to lock up kimura/armlocks. His tip about having you elbow trap their elbow is gold. I'm on mobile so its kind of hard to do links right now
     
  13. Andrewit White Belt

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    Also"revving the motor cycle grip" tightens up everything so the finish is a really small movement
     
  14. Oleg Raktatov Blue Belt

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  15. kpoz12 The No Life King Platinum Member

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    Oh, sweet!
     
  16. DanTheWolfman.com Banned Banned

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    Maybe some variation or pointer here helps
     
  17. dmwalking Sapateiro Belt

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    I think two reasons.

    It's a noob move. As basic and flair-less as it gets. So it's cool for upper belts to look down on such an inferior move.

    And, I guess it's a fat guy move and people hate tapping to the fat guy. Lol.
     
  18. the heed Look at the size of that boy's heed.

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    you rang?
     
  19. winterbike Green Belt

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    I use it mostly to bait the guy to give me his opposite arm so I can get a gift wrap. Then it's smooth sailing to the back.
     
  20. Oleg Raktatov Blue Belt

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    Good stuff

    Thanks
     

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