Crime American busted smuggling handguns into Ontario.

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  1. Greoric

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    You know, I largely agree with that sentiment. There's plenty of "gear queers" that want the latest greatest stuff well before investing in the training that could save their life. That's also a problem non-specific to guns mate.
     
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    Does that mean that the home owner wasn't a licensed gun owner, managed to disarm one of the assailants, then shoot them with their own firearm? Either way, unfortunately the "possession of a firearm without a license" charge is pretty damning up here, though. If the home owner was a licensed gun owner and he let his license lapse, I wouldn't be surprised if, especially with the current government, he was thrown to the wolves.
     
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    Ruprecht Hands Of The Judges Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Sure, you'll find posers latching on to any consumer identity pushed by a marketing department. Rarely is it such an explicit and vocal political identity though.
    More guns, less gun owners, and I strongly suspect less actual shooting.
     
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    Ignoring that the criticism doesn't hold much water, how's it a "problem"? I don't remember Hot Rod Magazine talking to much about how to drive. The sports blogs I see don't really talk much about how to run a pick & roll or how best to cover a slant route.
     
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  6. Greoric

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    Yeah, there's still not a political identity if there first isn't an opposition. The people with the guns aren't the ones initiating the conversation by proposing to keep what they already have, and again the level of discourse is contingent on the people bringing up the topic to begin with... in your words "the obsessed".
     
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  7. Greoric

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    There's actually biological significance to the tendency towards materialism versus services like training that we could alternatively see in those media, but you're not going to get me to derail another thread damnit!
     
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    Ruprecht Hands Of The Judges Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Of course there is. Only the very worst of identity politics actually forms through the focus on an opposition, enemy or "other". All you need is to define the identity and it's interests/desires/goals.
     
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    Bit late for that, but I'll leave it there.
    Safe to say that these gun smugglers (and likewise with smuggling hand guns to Australia) are more opportunists than activists.
     
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    Yeah, we're just going around in circles here. We can pretty much boil down the gun owner's "side" to, "Don't start shit, won't be shit." though. ...Hardly an obsessive identity. I mean its not like this is even a live and let live argument. There's a side that wants to make their own decisions and another that doesn't want them to. It's not the former that's obsessed with the latter holmes.
     
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    Not sure I follow you. Are you saying people shouldn't buy themselves nice things unless they go through some formal training?

    To my knowledge this is the most trafficked firearms site in the US. Maybe Gunbroker has more, but that's strictly sales. Crazy how one of their forums is dedicate to training. Then of course there's all the advice in the other forums. Stuff like how to build your rifle. How to make it shoot more reliably and more accurately. It's not just some gun-porn beauty pageant and most of the forums disallow political talk.

    Opposing oppression is identity politics, yo. Just ask any minority who has gotten the shaft. :D
     
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    American gun culture is a bit fetishized in my opinion. I'm a gun owner, who views guns as tools. Most of the guys that I know who own guns do not see them the way I do at all, they see them as really cool toys.

    They may tell people they are just tools, but when you're a normal civilian buying tactical gear and filling a large safe with AR15s and tactical shotguns, and zombie targets, I think it's pretty clear that you're not buying them to be used as tools. Unless of course, you're actually insane and are preparing for a zombie apocalypse.

    Not that there is any inherently wrong with that. As long as you're responsible and keep everything locked up tight, I don't really care what your reason is for owning the guns. But just don't pretend they are tools at the point when it becomes obvious that they are your toys.
     
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    Guns were an emerging technology at the time of the first Murkan colonies and gave them a decisive advantage over the Natives. So it makes sense it would enter into Murkan mythology as something given to them by God to allow them to claim the land.
     
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    Reads like they own a lot more real estate in your head, than you do in theirs. Again, who's the obsessed?
     
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    What? I'm talking about friends of mine, and I said I don't care why they own guns? You fell back on a canned internet troll response there. Pretty bad form.
     
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    You have the same things to say and energy to type it about people that like to collect motorcycles?
     
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    I'm not sure what your point is. I said that many Americans fetishize guns and view them as toys, not tools. I said there's nothing wrong with that, and that I don't care why you own your guns, but that it's pretty clear when that is the case. Do you want me to say the same thing about motorcycles? Sure, lots of Americans also fetishize motorcycles and view them as toys, not tools.

    You don't seem to be making a point here.
     
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    Well they certainly should have the freedom to, I just don't think they're wise to. A pretty good rifle will do the job they need it to as opposed to buying guccied out shit trying to look like DEVGRU, when they could be investing that money into some world class training that's all over the place now at a discount.

    Generally though, there's a tendency to acquire resources over skill... with virtually anything. That's the biological significance I was touching on.
     
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    They can be both, if you classify sporting goods as toys.

    As someone with a couple safes full of evil black shit, I freely admit I've no intention of doing "work" with them. Although I did let the neighbor borrow one to take out some noisy cocks.
     
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    This is why it's pointless to ban guns in Canada. The criminals will always find a way to get them.

    I believe in that case everyone knew each other and the break in was drug related, most likely an attempted robbery. The guy defending himself didn't have a license to own firearms.

    You need to have a license if you're going to defend yourself with a gun in Canada.

    There are cases where the charges have been dropped. Here's a recent one:
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/okotoks-shooting-homeowner-charges-dropped-1.4716423
     

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