Crime American busted smuggling handguns into Ontario.

No. "Some anecdotes"? A simple perusal of any American site about firearms and even international stories involving guns amply demonstrates otherwise.
In fact there's way more American media of all kinds about guns than there is about actually shooting, and even those tend to be political soap boxes.

You know, I largely agree with that sentiment. There's plenty of "gear queers" that want the latest greatest stuff well before investing in the training that could save their life. That's also a problem non-specific to guns mate.
 
You know, I largely agree with that sentiment. There's plenty of "gear queers" that want the latest greatest stuff well before investing in the training that could save their life. That's also a problem non-specific to guns mate.

LOL
 
The 23-year-old man who was the target of a home invasion in Weyburn, Keegan Muxlow, is facing a second-degree murder charge, after allegedly shooting and killing an 18-year-old man who broke into his home with two others.
Muxlow is also facing charges unsafe storage of a firearm and possession of a firearm without a licence.
The two other men who were alleged to have broken into the home, a 23-year-old and a 25-year-old, have been charged with break and enter and commit assault, possession of a firearm without a licence, and wearing a disguise during the commission of an offence.
The 23-year-old was also charged with possession of what police described as a small amount of cocaine that was found during a search at the police headquarters.
The men were all known to each other, according to police.
Deputy Chief Rod Stafford said that the home invaders had a shotgun with them but didn't know if they were carrying any other weapons.
The 18-year-old—identified as Nathan Hutt of Weyburn—who is alleged to have been part of the home invasion died in hospital around 12:30 a.m. CST on Saturday after shots were fired during a confrontation at the home.
Stafford said that the investigation so far doesn't point to there being a gunfight, meaning that the only shots fired came from Muxlow's .22-calibre rifle.
The 23-year-old invader was also injured. Stafford said he was stabbed.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/cana...ing-invader-who-later-died/ar-BBRStjL?ocid=sf
Does that mean that the home owner wasn't a licensed gun owner, managed to disarm one of the assailants, then shoot them with their own firearm? Either way, unfortunately the "possession of a firearm without a license" charge is pretty damning up here, though. If the home owner was a licensed gun owner and he let his license lapse, I wouldn't be surprised if, especially with the current government, he was thrown to the wolves.
 
You know, I largely agree with that sentiment. There's plenty of "gear queers" that want the latest greatest stuff well before investing in the training that could save their life. That's also a problem non-specific to guns mate.

Sure, you'll find posers latching on to any consumer identity pushed by a marketing department. Rarely is it such an explicit and vocal political identity though.
More guns, less gun owners, and I strongly suspect less actual shooting.
 
You know, I largely agree with that sentiment. There's plenty of "gear queers" that want the latest greatest stuff well before investing in the training that could save their life. That's also a problem non-specific to guns mate.

Ignoring that the criticism doesn't hold much water, how's it a "problem"? I don't remember Hot Rod Magazine talking to much about how to drive. The sports blogs I see don't really talk much about how to run a pick & roll or how best to cover a slant route.
 
Sure, you'll find posers latching on to any consumer identity pushed by a marketing department. Rarely is it such an explicit and vocal political identity though.
More guns, less gun owners, and I strongly suspect less actual shooting.

Yeah, there's still not a political identity if there first isn't an opposition. The people with the guns aren't the ones initiating the conversation by proposing to keep what they already have, and again the level of discourse is contingent on the people bringing up the topic to begin with... in your words "the obsessed".
 
Ignoring that the criticism doesn't hold much water, how's it a "problem"? I don't remember Hot Rod Magazine talking to much about how to drive. The sports blogs I see don't really talk much about how to run a pick & roll or how best to cover a slant route.

There's actually biological significance to the tendency towards materialism versus services like training that we could alternatively see in those media, but you're not going to get me to derail another thread damnit!
 
Yeah, there's still not a political identity if there first isn't an opposition. The people with the guns aren't the ones initiating the conversation by proposing to keep what they already have, and again the level of discourse is contingent on the people bringing up the topic to begin with... in your words "the obsessed".

Of course there is. Only the very worst of identity politics actually forms through the focus on an opposition, enemy or "other". All you need is to define the identity and it's interests/desires/goals.
 
...but you're not going to get me to derail another thread damnit!

Bit late for that, but I'll leave it there.
Safe to say that these gun smugglers (and likewise with smuggling hand guns to Australia) are more opportunists than activists.
 
Of course there is. Only the very worst of identity politics actually forms through the focus on an opposition, enemy or "other". All you need is to define the identity and it's interests/desires/goals.

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Yeah, we're just going around in circles here. We can pretty much boil down the gun owner's "side" to, "Don't start shit, won't be shit." though. ...Hardly an obsessive identity. I mean its not like this is even a live and let live argument. There's a side that wants to make their own decisions and another that doesn't want them to. It's not the former that's obsessed with the latter holmes.
 
There's actually biological significance to the tendency towards materialism versus services like training that we could alternatively see in those media, but you're not going to get me to derail another thread damnit!

Not sure I follow you. Are you saying people shouldn't buy themselves nice things unless they go through some formal training?

To my knowledge this is the most trafficked firearms site in the US. Maybe Gunbroker has more, but that's strictly sales. Crazy how one of their forums is dedicate to training. Then of course there's all the advice in the other forums. Stuff like how to build your rifle. How to make it shoot more reliably and more accurately. It's not just some gun-porn beauty pageant and most of the forums disallow political talk.

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Yeah, we're just going around in circles here. We can pretty much boil down the gun owner's "side" to, "Don't start shit, won't be shit." though. ...Hardly an obsessive identity. I mean its not like this is even a live and let live argument. There's a side that wants to make their own decisions and another that doesn't want them to. It's not the former that's obsessed with the latter holmes.

Opposing oppression is identity politics, yo. Just ask any minority who has gotten the shaft. :D
 
The obsession seems one sided, and doesn't seem to be coming from the people that see them as tools with a purpose.

American gun culture is a bit fetishized in my opinion. I'm a gun owner, who views guns as tools. Most of the guys that I know who own guns do not see them the way I do at all, they see them as really cool toys.

They may tell people they are just tools, but when you're a normal civilian buying tactical gear and filling a large safe with AR15s and tactical shotguns, and zombie targets, I think it's pretty clear that you're not buying them to be used as tools. Unless of course, you're actually insane and are preparing for a zombie apocalypse.

Not that there is any inherently wrong with that. As long as you're responsible and keep everything locked up tight, I don't really care what your reason is for owning the guns. But just don't pretend they are tools at the point when it becomes obvious that they are your toys.
 
Americans are always evangelising their obsessions with guns.

Guns were an emerging technology at the time of the first Murkan colonies and gave them a decisive advantage over the Natives. So it makes sense it would enter into Murkan mythology as something given to them by God to allow them to claim the land.
 
American gun culture is a bit fetishized in my opinion. I'm a gun owner, who views guns as tools. Most of the guys that I know who own guns do not see them the way I do at all, they see them as really cool toys.

They may tell people they are just tools, but when you're a normal civilian buying tactical gear and filling a large safe with AR15s and tactical shotguns, and zombie targets, I think it's pretty clear that you're not buying them to be used as tools. Unless of course, you're actually insane and are preparing for a zombie apocalypse.

Not that there is any inherently wrong with that. As long as you're responsible and keep everything locked up tight, I don't really care what your reason is for owning the guns. But just don't pretend they are tools at the point when it becomes obvious that they are your toys.

Reads like they own a lot more real estate in your head, than you do in theirs. Again, who's the obsessed?
 
Reads like they own a lot more real estate in your head, than you do in theirs. Again, who's the obsessed?

What? I'm talking about friends of mine, and I said I don't care why they own guns? You fell back on a canned internet troll response there. Pretty bad form.
 
What? I'm talking about friends of mine, and I said I don't care why they own guns? You fell back on a canned internet troll response there. Pretty bad form.

You have the same things to say and energy to type it about people that like to collect motorcycles?
 
You have the same things to say and energy to type it about people that like to collect motorcycles?

I'm not sure what your point is. I said that many Americans fetishize guns and view them as toys, not tools. I said there's nothing wrong with that, and that I don't care why you own your guns, but that it's pretty clear when that is the case. Do you want me to say the same thing about motorcycles? Sure, lots of Americans also fetishize motorcycles and view them as toys, not tools.

You don't seem to be making a point here.
 
Not sure I follow you. Are you saying people shouldn't buy themselves nice things unless they go through some formal training?

Well they certainly should have the freedom to, I just don't think they're wise to. A pretty good rifle will do the job they need it to as opposed to buying guccied out shit trying to look like DEVGRU, when they could be investing that money into some world class training that's all over the place now at a discount.

Generally though, there's a tendency to acquire resources over skill... with virtually anything. That's the biological significance I was touching on.
 
They may tell people they are just tools, but when you're a normal civilian buying tactical gear and filling a large safe with AR15s and tactical shotguns, and zombie targets, I think it's pretty clear that you're not buying them to be used as tools.

They can be both, if you classify sporting goods as toys.

As someone with a couple safes full of evil black shit, I freely admit I've no intention of doing "work" with them. Although I did let the neighbor borrow one to take out some noisy cocks.
 
Well they certainly should have the freedom to, I just don't think they're wise to. A pretty good rifle will do the job they need it to as opposed to buying guccied out shit trying to look like DEVGRU, when they could be investing that money into some world class training that's all over the place now at a discount.

Generally though, there's a tendency to acquire resources over skill... with virtually anything. That's the biological significance I was touching on.

Sure, many people like the aesthetic component. Me included. The only training I'm interested in is getting my ass out to the range. There's a good thread in the weapons & tactics forum about how useless tactical training is. I could spend my time and money acquiring skills I plan to never use or I could have some sweet guns with resale value when the time comes to part with them.
 

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