Opinion America needs a centrist party badly

This right here. When we begin to unite based on class interests, the wealthy wont be able to continue bribing our media to keep us divided over largely irrelavent bullshit.

I mean a lot of the issues are real and significant but the way there focused on tends to be to turn them into media events that have very little real effect.

The media will ride on something like Black Lives Matter for a few months, some politicans will take the knee and then fuck all will change about racist policing and black poverty because their paymasters don't want any change.
 
So by "Democrats want" you mean some random activist who isn't a Democrat. What does the fact that you need to tell crazy lies that no one who knows anything about politics would believe for a second to support your partisanship say about the strength of your position?

These are not random activists. This lady was called to the Committee by Democrat politicians to espouse their positions.
 
These are not random activists. This lady was called to the Committee by Democrat politicians to espouse their positions.

I mean, you can try to handwave all you want, but you know that abortion at 8.5 months (outside of like an emergency life-saving procedure) is not the mainstream Democratic position or even one that a single notable figure in the party supports, and it's not something anyone would take seriously. There are actual policy disagreements between the two parties. The point of lying about stuff like you're doing is precisely to avoid a real examination of real effects of elections, because very few people actually think that Republicans have better ideas on policy (even most Republican voters don't think that if you just ask directly).
 
They have one. It's called the Democratic Party.
 
Since you like to talk about the 2000's, do you remember The Arab Spring? Social media was crucial in sending out information, documenting things, and organizing people into action.
The effect of social media during the Arab Spring is very exaggerated. The countries with the best internet access(Gulf Arab monarchies) did not see successful revolutions while the one with the least(Yemen) did. Its a comforting narrative for Westerners, to think that the social media companies they created liberated the ignorant Arabs by opening their eyes to the power of the internet. But reality is far more complicated.
 
We already have a centrist major party in the US. Nancy Pelosi actively campaigned for a pro-life conservative Democrat named Henry Cuellar in Texas against a pro-choice progressive Democrat AFTER Roe v. Wade was overturned. The leadership of the Democratic Party are center-right corporatists. There are individual members of the Democratic Party who are further to the left, but they are NOT the ones running the party.

The Democratic Party by and large is center-left on social/cultural issues and center-right on economics/foreign policy (which are much more important and should count for more, by the way). Hence, they are a centrist party. The Republicans are far to the right across the board. We have a far right party and a centrist party as our two major parties in the US.
“I’m supporting Henry Cuellar, he’s a valued member of our caucus. The FBI has said he’s not under investigation,” Pelosi said first, before quipping, “I thought that you were going to take it to choice or something.”


“He is not pro-choice but we didn’t need him; we passed the bill with what we had,” Pelosi said. Cuellar was the lone Democrat to vote against the Women’s Health Protection Act when it passed the House last year. It failed this past week in the Senate in a vote of 49 to 51.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/202...pporting-the-only-antiabortion-house-democrat
 
I mean, you can try to handwave all you want, but you know that abortion at 8.5 months (outside of like an emergency life-saving procedure) is not the mainstream Democratic position or even one that a single notable figure in the party supports, and it's not something anyone would take seriously. There are actual policy disagreements between the two parties. The point of lying about stuff like you're doing is precisely to avoid a real examination of real effects of elections, because very few people actually think that Republicans have better ideas on policy (even most Republican voters don't think that if you just ask directly).
The Democratic Party doesn't have a litmus test on abortion. The Party regularly supports pro-life incumbents in primaries against pro-choice opponents. If you're someone who's pro-life and also agrees more with the Democrats on economic issues and other policy, then you'll have to weigh that out and vote based on what matters to you more. But the Democratic Party is a big tent party with room for a lot of views and is overall rather moderate. The idea that the Democratic Party has gone far left and there's no room for dissent is total hogwash.
As a general rule, Democratic leadership throws its lot in with incumbents. (One mustn’t forget the controversial Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee policy to not only back incumbents, but “blacklist” vendors and strategists who worked with their challengers.) And this is also not the first time that Pelosi and company backed an anti-choice Democratic incumbent either. The Democratic establishment backed an anti-choice congressman Daniel Lipinski in the primary for Illinois’s 3rd congressional district against a pro-choice woman challenger, Marie Newman, in the 2020 election cycle. (Newman won the race.)
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/202...pporting-the-only-antiabortion-house-democrat
 
both parties are militaristic corporatist machines serving the same vast complex of value extraction.
i don't recall any of the parties being against wars or against lobby groups.
the idea that some of you try to convolute, that either is close to the center, is hilarious.
 
Both Democrats and Republicans are heading into far left and far right respectively. Constant war all the time.

Get a third major party in US to draw good stuff from both sides and stay in the middle.

I guess everyone would profit.

Could not agree more. I have made multiple remarks on here about our desperately needing an 'alt-middle'
 
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This. Todays "right" would be left of JFK.

On social issues yes... on everything else (the stuff that matters), not as much.

Although it seems obvious that most on sherdog don't understand the meaning of left vs. right and it's relation to liberal vs. conservative. They aren't directly related.

The conservatives in the US have become more right-wing, even though they've become less conservative on many things.

It should be noted that the nature of conservatives typically isn't to go backwards it's to resist change, so any group of conservatives over time will move towards liberalism--the question as to if modern conservatives are more or less conservative than past has less to do with their individual stances but on the strength of their resistance.
 
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Could not agree more. I have made multiple remakes on here about our desperately needing an 'alt-middle'
We don't even have an actual left wing major party. The Conservative Party in the UK and Canada agree to protect legalized abortion and single-payer healthcare. The Democratic Party establishment is against single-payer, Biden abandoned the public option, Gavin Newsom blocked single-payer in California, and Nancy Pelosi actively campaigned for a pro-life candidate against a pro-choice candidate in a Democratic primary while Roe v. Wade was being dismantled. The Democratic Party is the centrist party. The Republican Party is way off in wingnut land. Why don't we have an actual left wing major party before we worry about the "middle" supposedly not being represented? If anything, the so-called "center" gets catered to too much, especially by the Democrats (while the left either gets ignored or demonized, like when Bernie was leading in 2020). The centrists in the mainstream media were literally comparing Bernie to Hitler (even though Bernie is Jewish and lost relatives in the holocaust) and Castro (specifically Castro executing political opponents, even though Bernie obviously doesn't approve of political violence, unlike his presumed opponent Donald Trump).

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