Ryron did not TOY with Andre.
He survived and that's it.
Uh, he did actually. And Andre knew it. Hence his running away the last 5 minutes, refusing to engage, and then the whining at the end while gasping for air.
Is Galvao taking chances by attempting subs?
Yes. Any time you go for a sub you create an opening. ..That's why he never fully committed to the lapel choke he set up over 9,000 times. He was afraid of the circumstances.
..IIRC, he never actually attempted a sub. Watch it again. (If you find one, give me the time stamp please) Ryron at least went for a foot lock, and was stalking him down as the clock ticked away.
You have to be a shill or a worshiper of Ryron to think this. It's much easier to protect yourself from submissions than it is to engage in them successfully against a resisting opponent.
Seriously, Ryron got controlled and passed repeatedly. He tried one lousy submission attempt.
Now, I'm not saying that Ryron is crap. He's very good, but you're just showing either your ignorance or your bias here.
Neither ignorance nor bias on my part, I don't really like either one.
Ryron didn't get "passed repeatedly" - he fucking let Galvao take him down and just move to side mount. The one time he mounted Ryron, he fell immediately for a while belt escape. How many subs did Andre *go for*? None. He held the lapel, and held it, and held s'more. He even almost thought about it for one second (his hand reaches, but he decides it's a bad idea, and just locks back down in side control). He was "defending" just as much as Ryron.
If these positions (side mount for 10 minutes, mount for a few seconds, knee on belly) were so damn important, why couldn't he sub Ryron from them?
That's the reason they shouldn't be awarded points. Getting to the position means fuck all if you can do nothing with it.
This doesn't make the entire system worthless. They'll move beyond 50/50 and into whatever is next. It will keep progressing and rules will change to keep the sport moving in the right direction.
Furthermore, you rarely see that sort of game being played at lower levels. Those matches are much more dynamic.
In the black belt divisions, in championship rounds, you are seeing the top athletes in the world in their sport, both physically and mentally, cancelling each other out. Even the slightest error can mean the difference between winning and losing.
Some people really like that sort of match. Others like a wide open match. Thankfully, there is enough variety in BJJ that in any given tournament, you'll have all sorts of different types of matches.
You continue to harp on individual matches, but I simply do not see this as a reality across the entire plane of competition.
..It does make the system worthless. Not that there are no exciting IBJJF matches (certainly are!) but the "points system" is ridiculous as it currently stands. Things like knee reaping are maddening too.
You're arguing against yourselves here. The positions are *so* important they can win you matches, you're dominating, right? ..but we've been shown an excellent example of that not happening, despite Ryron basically giving Andre every one of them.
Then leave. We don't need you.
Wow, that's rude. But guess what, no one needs you either. So leave. (See how childish that sounds? "I'll take my toys and go home" like you own the fucking forum or something.) Ridiculous.
You clearly never learned respect or "check your ego at the door" homie.
Yes. Yes, it is.
If a recreational grappler went against anyone and found themselves in the guard, chances are, the match would not be long at all.
Uh, no. It doesn't. I couldn't run a 1/4 mile, but I can hold guard against someone willing to play "stalemate" with me for 40 minutes +. I'm definitely what you'd call a "recreational grappler" and have no thoughts that I could do something like that to any legitimate high lvl grappler, but someone like me? My size? I'll keep them there for 10 minutes easy. With no cardio, and little technique.
BJJ community is becoming self centered and delusional like those TKD folks. The art has lost self-defense application to a large extent. Instead of taking down and defeating bigger, stronger guys in a no hold barred tournament, the whole BJJ art is now focused on defeating itself under narrow rules which it has created for itself. At least TKD had some aesthetics to it and was pleasing to watch purely for its acrobatics. BJJ doesn't even have that!!! Its only selling point was to dominate and destroy bigger, stronger faster strikers in NHB. It has totally lost that and turned martial arts into a butt scooting competition. But ... within the fantasy world we BJJ guys create for ourselves, this is evidence of two "athletes" showing equivalent "technique." The same lot will then laugh at Taekwondo people about how disconnected their art is with realities of hand to hand combat.
Someone gets it.
