Am I doing to much cardio?

yourbigbud

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I wanted to ask you guys some questions as my doctor is sick in the hospital himself. I recently started Muay Thai and BJJ training. Now i am a former collegiate athlete but after college i let myself go. As a result I am one of the most out of shape students there. So i decided to get some of this fat off. Not to mention my wife wants me to get it off too. For the past 2 weeks i have been doing 1 1/2 to 2 hours of cardio per day 5-6 days per week. Not including weight lifting and my MMA training. I dont do it all at once. I go 1 hour in the morning then 30 min to 1 hour after work or later at night. I have lost a nice amount of weight and im satisfied but am i doing too much cardio? Can it hurt me?
 
From what I've read here and other places it depends on what you mean by hurt.

As far as hurting your body, if your allowing enough recovery time...probably like 9 hours of sleep a day if your doing all that.

You could hurt your progress in terms of burning off muscle and thus reducing the overall amount of calories you burn throughout the day.

I've heard 45 minutes is a pretty good upper limit on cardio to keep you from burning too much muscle. But you can also counter this with eating enough protein I think.

If it was me doing all that, I think my main worry would be enough sleep, enough time inbetween lifting and MMA training and cardio if its HIIT. I've heard 6 hours, but if you have days where you do all three that's gonna be hard.

If its low impact cardio like elliptical or treadmill you can probably get away with it. If your grinding your knees of concrete you might want to put a few rest days in there. I'd also imagine you should have a total rest day or two in there somewhere for the best recovery.

I'm interested in everyone elses answers too as I might someday shift into a higher gear and try to add onto my current work out.
 
See and thats what i didnt want to do, burn muscle. I just wanna get this weight off. It's really also been my wife pushing me to do so much cardio. But when i saw how much weight i lost i didnt complain about the work out time. With weight lifting, i dont do any free weight except a few barbells right now. Im tryin just to tone up and i planned to hit up the free weights after i get some more weight off. Its just really important to me because right now i kick and punch really slow and most of the time get my ass kicked.
 
To me it seems that if someone works out at much and as varied (cardio, weights, MA) as you, eats properly, and gets enough sleep and recovery. They should be a strong and slim bastard after a while, as long as its a routine you can keep up.

I think there is some differences in application and theory when your thinking in terms of your regular dude that wants to be strong and a body builder type that wants big muscles.

All I've heard, and my understanding is limited here, is that if you do cardio for longer than approximately 45 minutes then your more likely to put your body in a catabolic state that breaks down muscle. But what I don't fully understand is whether or not this is a good state for breaking down fat as well. And if you eat enough protien does this not even matter?

I'd say your slow punches are more likely technique or not getting enough rest and calories for the amount of exertion your putting out.

How much sleep do you get, are you working on reduced calories as well?
 
Doesn't sound like too much to me, but if you're just looking to loose fat, there are other ways to do it. Proper nutrition, strength training and cardio combined would be better approach. Read the stickies in the strength and power forum.

Being able to run for days is great if you're a soccer player, track star or cross country runner. But if you're doing MT and BJJ, intervals would probably be more appropriate. Squats, deadlifts and bench should be part of your lifting routine. Read the stickies, they're full of great info. Good luck
 
My diet has changed dramatically. Number one being african-american all i use to eat was soul food or mexican food. For dinner wed eat fried chicken or some kind of pork and the rest of the days it would be mexican food with ground beef. For snacks there would be cookies n chips. No soda but lots of juice. Now all thats in my refrigerated is boneless skinless chicken breast, fish, turkey, and tuna. I eat more fruit and vegetables now more than ever. The last i spoke to my doctor he told me to keep it under 2000 calories a day. I have been doing that successfully too. Water has always been an all day everyday thing for me. My friends often tease me whenn we go out to eat cuz all i get is water. I do take nitro-tech everyday for my protein. I bought it before i heard the bad reviews about it on here. I guess i should have been more clear. heres my schedule.

Monday I get up between 6-730 am cuz i go to work at 930. Do cardio for an hour. I have a mini gym in my apartment building. Comeback down stairs and either jump rope or do a workout video for 30 min then get ready for work. Then i go to work and gt off at 8pm and go right to 24 hr fitness for weights for an hour. Go home eat and sleep.I usually end up goin to bed by like 12.

Tues Same morning workout. Go to work. Get off at 5pm. Go to MMA training for 2 hours. Go home eate sleep.

Wednesday- Identical to monday

Thursday- Identical to tues day

Friday-identical to monday
sat -Hour and a half of cardio if i dogged it this week. SUnday off

I posted initially because i wanted to increase my cardio but I totally dont want it to counteract my going to lift weights. I just figured time i could be sitting on my ass why not go upstairs and run u know. Aside from wanting to get into better shape for MMA, I didnt used to be this fat. I was a buff football jock. I loved the attention and the respect. So thats why im asking these questions because I want to look better and not be winded after 10 minutes into class. Ive been peeping around this site for about six months now but never took the time to join. But after alot of posts i read, there are alot of knowledgable people here whom opinions and views, I feel i can trust. I mean im no bad ass im dead tired after every single workout but the results ive seen are pleasing. So should i keep it at 45 minutes a day 3-4 days a week so i wont burn any muscle?
 
What's your height and weight? Does you doctor have a feel for how much you workout. Cause 2000 is like for a tiny chick I think.

Check out this article
http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=459696

as posted by Madmick here (http://www.sherdog.net/forums/showthread.php?t=317030)

You have to do a little math but its fairly straightforward.

1.) You get your number of PROTEIN GRAMS per lbs of muscle mass, based on you metabolic type.
2.) Figure out your amount of muscle mass:

LEAN MASS = ( (100-BODY FAT %)/100 )*TOTAL WEIGHT

3.) Multiply PROTEIN GRAMS by LEAN MASS = TOTAL PROTEIN GRAMS to eat in a day.

4.) Find total grams of food based off your PROTEIN PERCENTAGE:

TOTAL DIET GRAMS = 100*(TOTAL PROTEIN GRAMS)/PROTEIN PERCENTAGE

5.) Solve for CARB and FAT percentages

TOTAL CARB GRAMS = (CARBS PERCENTAGE/100)*TOTAL DIET GRAMS
TOTAL FAT GRAMS = (FAT PERCENTAGE/100)*TOTAL DIET GRAMS

6.) Solve for TOTAL DIET CALORIES:

TOTAL DIET CALORIES = (TOTAL PROTEIN GRAMS + TOTAL CARB GRAMS)*4
+ (TOTAL FAT GRAMS)*9
 
By the way I just treated this as a sort of guideline. I'm just trying to lose weight gradually, not have a huge overbearing dietary regimine to complete everyday.

I just like to check that I'm getting enough protein to help reduce any muscle loss.
Its kinda nice to check where my carb and fat levels are in relation.

I also just sorta estimated that my lean muscle mass is 250 lbs and worked from there, probably a little high but it hasn't been hurting me I don't think. I have a fairly active part time job 3 hrs a day that I don't factor in to any of my calorie calculations when I check them. With 250 lbs muscle mass and a pretty low activity level and a slow metabolism I'm still allowed just over 3000 calories a day for slowly loosing weight.

Actually I'm not sure if he directly addresses weight loss in the article, but I have a program called CalorieKing and it spat out a calorie amount for my current weight and P/F/C gram amounts. The calories where almost exactly the same but teh P/F/C ratios where off.

I like the concept of getting a diet thats formulated for my fit less fat body and learning to enjoy myself at a sensible level that will work for me for the rest of my life....then some kookie diet at only 2000 lbs that I would have a hard time sustaining indefinitely.

I probably check my diet on a monday or tuesday to see how well I'm fitting (especially if I change up anything..usually eat alot of the same stuff) and thats usually good enough to help me have a good week.
 
I guess i didnt think of it that way. All i thought about was work out and eat less. I really had no idea i needed a diet specific to my needs. I appreciate all ur help. I will definatly consider everything ive learned. Me myself I am 6'1 301.
 
yourbigbud said:
I wanted to ask you guys some questions as my doctor is sick in the hospital himself. I recently started Muay Thai and BJJ training. Now i am a former collegiate athlete but after college i let myself go. As a result I am one of the most out of shape students there. So i decided to get some of this fat off. Not to mention my wife wants me to get it off too. For the past 2 weeks i have been doing 1 1/2 to 2 hours of cardio per day 5-6 days per week. Not including weight lifting and my MMA training. I dont do it all at once. I go 1 hour in the morning then 30 min to 1 hour after work or later at night. I have lost a nice amount of weight and im satisfied but am i doing too much cardio? Can it hurt me?

In my opinion, if you get enough rest, you can do cardio every day. Some people will say it's too much and you will get burnt out. Sometimes people do get burnt out when they don't get enough rest and enough food to fuel their bodies. I train almost every day. Sometimes even on Sundays. I get plenty of rest and eat like a horse (the right foods though) and I don't feel burnt out at all. If anything, I've been in the best shape of my life.

yourbigbud said:
My diet has changed dramatically. Number one being african-american all i use to eat was soul food or mexican food. For dinner wed eat fried chicken or some kind of pork and the rest of the days it would be mexican food with ground beef. For snacks there would be cookies n chips. No soda but lots of juice. Now all thats in my refrigerated is boneless skinless chicken breast, fish, turkey, and tuna. I eat more fruit and vegetables now more than ever. The last i spoke to my doctor he told me to keep it under 2000 calories a day. I have been doing that successfully too. Water has always been an all day everyday thing for me. My friends often tease me whenn we go out to eat cuz all i get is water.

Sounds like you're trying to keep disciplined. Finding a good diet is the hardest part for me. Just keep eating right and treat yourself every once in a while.
 
I'm no expert in conditioning or anything like that. My only advice is to try not to lose more than 3-5 lbs a week. Drastic weight changes up or down can be pretty bad for your heart.
 
I am no qualified expert or adviser. I did lose around 45 pounds in a few months though, purely through diet, weights and cardio.

My advice is that the amount of cardio you do will depend on its intensity. Obviously walking for an hour in the evening is different to running 90 mins a day. If the intensity is too high, you may burn out.

You can do the basic methods of amount of calories in being less than what is being used to lose fat, and just overwhelm your calorie level with heaps of exercise, but you can also be a lot smarter about it.

First of all, people that lose a large amount of weight, especially if in a short period of time, lose muscle too. Some people just accept this will happen due to a cardio increase. Others will believe the crap about light weights, high reps to lose fat etc. In fact you often see people lose a heap of fat, and they have visibly lost muscle and have skinny shoulders etc.

Personally I dismissed that and for weight training chose simple exercises using bigger muscle groups (bengch, chins, dips, squats etc) and did basically 3 or 4 sets of around 6 reps, with reasonably heavy weights. You are not trying to improve or increase your strength, just maintain it. Increase the weight as necessary, but this is just to keep your strength at its present level. The weight training will assist with your metabolism too.

With my cardio I used running (30 mins to 60 mins 3-4 times a week) and I was using the Bas Rutten MMA workout usually twice a day. Occasionally I'd throw in a 60 min walk. I never felt burnt out, and actually felt quite good.

Running is good but it can be difficult if you are a bit heavy and give you injuries. If you wanted to be safe do a 90 min walk every day and maybe a 30 min run in the morning.

There are new studies everyday, and it would be unwise not to take advantage of some of these. Rather than me crap on about it, I'll try to find a link, but I have had success with guerilla cardio as well. I would highly reccommend incorporating it. It is awesome for picking up your metabolism and fat loss.

Diet is more than 50 percent of the battle though dude. I won't go into it extensively, but 5-6 smaller meals instead of three large ones. Don't eat two hours before going to bed. Personally I cut out grains, rice, pastas, potatoes and consumed mainly fresh fruit and veges and drank water (tea when the weather was cold). Basically stick with foods that have been less tampered with and processed by man. Fresher and more natural the better.

People will try and complicate it and confuse you (hopefully I didn't) but it is just basic and hard work really, with some tricks thrown in to fool your body here and there.

Damn, I can't find the link. If you search this forum for the last six months it will show. Interesting reading.
 
yourbigbud said:
I wanted to ask you guys some questions as my doctor is sick in the hospital himself. I recently started Muay Thai and BJJ training. Now i am a former collegiate athlete but after college i let myself go. As a result I am one of the most out of shape students there. So i decided to get some of this fat off. Not to mention my wife wants me to get it off too. For the past 2 weeks i have been doing 1 1/2 to 2 hours of cardio per day 5-6 days per week. Not including weight lifting and my MMA training. I dont do it all at once. I go 1 hour in the morning then 30 min to 1 hour after work or later at night. I have lost a nice amount of weight and im satisfied but am i doing too much cardio? Can it hurt me?

once you get into the swing and your body gets used to the constant training....it's really not that bad. it'll be harder to put on mass with that much cardio, but i train just about the same way.
 
yourbigbud said:
My diet has changed dramatically. Number one being african-american all i use to eat was soul food or mexican food. For dinner wed eat fried chicken or some kind of pork and the rest of the days it would be mexican food with ground beef. For snacks there would be cookies n chips. No soda but lots of juice. Now all thats in my refrigerated is boneless skinless chicken breast, fish, turkey, and tuna. I eat more fruit and vegetables now more than ever. The last i spoke to my doctor he told me to keep it under 2000 calories a day. I have been doing that successfully too. Water has always been an all day everyday thing for me. My friends often tease me whenn we go out to eat cuz all i get is water. I do take nitro-tech everyday for my protein. I bought it before i heard the bad reviews about it on here. I guess i should have been more clear. heres my schedule.

Monday I get up between 6-730 am cuz i go to work at 930. Do cardio for an hour. I have a mini gym in my apartment building. Comeback down stairs and either jump rope or do a workout video for 30 min then get ready for work. Then i go to work and gt off at 8pm and go right to 24 hr fitness for weights for an hour. Go home eat and sleep.I usually end up goin to bed by like 12.

Tues Same morning workout. Go to work. Get off at 5pm. Go to MMA training for 2 hours. Go home eate sleep.

Wednesday- Identical to monday

Thursday- Identical to tues day

Friday-identical to monday
sat -Hour and a half of cardio if i dogged it this week. SUnday off

I posted initially because i wanted to increase my cardio but I totally dont want it to counteract my going to lift weights. I just figured time i could be sitting on my ass why not go upstairs and run u know. Aside from wanting to get into better shape for MMA, I didnt used to be this fat. I was a buff football jock. I loved the attention and the respect. So thats why im asking these questions because I want to look better and not be winded after 10 minutes into class. Ive been peeping around this site for about six months now but never took the time to join. But after alot of posts i read, there are alot of knowledgable people here whom opinions and views, I feel i can trust. I mean im no bad ass im dead tired after every single workout but the results ive seen are pleasing. So should i keep it at 45 minutes a day 3-4 days a week so i wont burn any muscle?

2000 cals if okay to loose weight if you were not doing anything, but with all the cardio/traiing, your DEFINENTLY okay to up that 500 or so and still loose weight
 
try cutting back on a few of the cardio sessions per week and do some strength/resistance work. i would suggest doing some circuit style training to keep the heart rate in your target zone. this works 2 ways, you're getting your strength work and as long as you're working at the proper pace, it counts as a cardio workout as well. in addition, this develops your anaerobic endurance, which is crucial to MMA training.

to figure out your target heart rate training zone:
subtract your age from 220, multiply this number by .65 and .95. those ending numbers are your low and high, thus creating your training zone. the lower conditioned you are, the closer to the lower number you should be working around. well-conditioned athletes should be working around the 95% range.

hope this helps
 
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