Alternate Game Plans for Cain?

[dfoster]

It's no wonder Cain's style is hustling and relentlessly attacking. He has no choice. He has the same short, stocky bodies of Tyson and Frazier. To get past their opponents' superior reaches, they had to really hustle, willing to take punches to punch, constantly ducking and moving, relying on their speed to get close. But once this speed is gone, they're like sitting ducks. You can see it in the fat version of Tyson.

Cain is fast but not quite as lean, agile and nimble as a young Tyson. You saw him trying the same bob and weave thing in the last fight with JDS, moving jig jag pattern like Frazier with little effect: he could not get close because he simply did not have the kind of speed required for that game plan against someone like JDS.

Unfortunately for him, JDS's power is highest in the beginning so aggressively putting himself in range for JDS's fists speed up his demise. But what other choice does he have? sticking and moving hoping to tire JDS out? what else is there for him to when this fails?

 

[Vashgun]

If he throws a lot of feints for the shot he can back JDS straight back into the fence so he can get the clinch.

And the feints could also be used to get JDS to drop his hands. Basically fighting from the outside in the beginning rounds and relying on a kick and feint heavy attack

I'm just not sure he's going to do that though or could even pull it off. I'm pretty sure he's planning on putting tons of pressure on JDS, which is where Cain is the strongest. He sort of sat back a bit in the first fight looking to pick his shots. I think for him he's going to need to hit first and often to get in the head of JDS early so he can build confidence for the takedown.

I dont know what else he could do

 

[MMA since 1993]

i actually want to see cain take jds down, not necessarily hold him down for a whole round, i just wanna see how skilled jds is off his back.

would be interesting to see jds win with a sub off his back.

 

[techninja]

The original game plan, to work away at JDS' legs would have worked. JDS does sit heavy on his front leg so he can generate the power in his punches, the only problem is if he hits you it's game over, so it's a risky strategy, especially in the first few rounds.

I think Cain has to come out and wear him down, clinch, push the pace, stay inside and avoid the heavy hands. If he gets JDS down, work position, force him back to his feet and try for the shot again. Cain's stamina is his biggest strength in this fight.

If he can do this, and get into the later rounds, they can start working the legs again and pick him apart. The hail Mary shot is always a threat though, so he has to stay tight, keep that distance correct and work at JDS, not visa versa.

It's going to be an interesting fight as long as Cain doesn't walk into anything heavy in the first 5 minutes

 

[Velkar182]

Cain doesn't need an alternate game plan. JDS has one plan, and Cain has one plan. JDS's plan is: KO him before the end of the 2nd, and don't get taken down, or else lose. Cain's game plan is: Take him down, don't let him touch the chin, endure the first round if need be, or lose.

 

[jeremi87]

Eat a bunch of refried beans and get the takedown and flatulate lots!

 

[MMA since 1993]

Eat a bunch of refried beans and get the takedown and flatulate lots!

that's racist imo.

 

[jeremi87]

that's racist imo.

No if it was a racist comment it would be tacos or burritos or chili or something not beans

 

[Lavitz]

Pull guard Werdum style.

 

[jeremi87]

that's racist imo.

Also doesnt it originate from Texas ....

 

[dfoster]

The original game plan, to work away at JDS' legs would have worked. JDS does sit heavy on his front leg so he can generate the power in his punches, the only problem is if he hits you it's game over, so it's a risky strategy, especially in the first few rounds.

The problem with him using leg kicks is... he's not Hoost. His legs are really short, when he gets in range for his kick to connect, his huge head presents an easy target. I've seen him being tagged in the face many times when he does leg kicks, by many opponents, all have longer limbs than he does.

I think back in the first fight, if JDS didn't connect then, Cain would eventually have gotten KOd when JDS can time the leg kicks.

Vashgun, I've seen how easily JDS moves around, it'll be hard to back him up in a straight line.

 

[techninja]

that's racist imo.

And not even slightly funny.

 

[MMA since 1993]

No if it was a racist comment it would be tacos or burritos or chili or something not beans

it was definitely implied, if cain was white or black you probably would not have made that comment.

 

[The ScorpioN]

No if it was a racist comment it would be tacos or burritos or chili or something not beans

Well beans are essential to his culture's cuisine. Ban imo.

 

[techninja]

The problem with him using leg kicks is... he's not Hoost. His legs are really short, when he gets in range for his kick to connect, his huge head presents an easy target. I've seen him being tagged in the face many times when he does leg kicks, by many opponents, all have longer limbs than he does.

I think back in the first fight, if JDS didn't connect then, Cain would eventually have gotten KOd when JDS can time the leg kicks.

Vashgun, I've seen how easily JDS moves around, it'll be hard to back him up in a straight line.

Yeah I agree. Although I hope he's done something to improve his chances of landing them successfully, as there is a clear kink in JDS's chain I believe. I was watching the JDS vs Carwin fight tonight and even Carwin was landing kicks on his lead leg. If Cain can hit leg kicks, it could be instrumental in slowing JDS down and enabling him to successfully hit takedowns. But as I said to my roommate tonight, it's like prime Liddell all over again, he's just got so much power, guy's can't afford to be in there and get tagged or it's game over

 

[SPL1FF]

cain does not have near the same body type as tyson.

lombard and palhares are more like tyson.

 

[Shwartz]

He can shoot 10 seconds into first round and try to take JDS down. Repeat if failed (somewhy JDS opponents often fail one td attempt and just start striking, dooming themselvs).

He can remember his kickboxng training and start atacking JDS lead leg. Cover the head-connect a lowkick-take a body punch. He'll take some damage, but he won't get koed and JDS without his footwork would be quite another fighter.

He can use the strategy TheStrikingGuy described in "Killing the king: JDS" - attack the lead leg to throw JDS off balance, immediately continue with some punches - while JDS is off-balance he won't run, his sways would be hindered and without legs firmly planted his counters won't have power. Retreat. Repeat.

And unlike me Cain is one of the best hw fighters in the world, so I think he'll have a better, not so obvious gameplan.

 

[victhebrik]

Also doesnt it originate from Texas ....

Fuck you bigot ***!

 

[techninja]

cain does not have near the same body type as tyson.

lombard and palhares are more like tyson.

I think you're taking it out of context. I believe the idea was not in aesthetics, but the way he uses his small frame, built on speed, to get inside guys to land shots or takedowns. That was more the comparison, not how they compare physically

 

[Vashgun]

Vashgun, I've seen how easily JDS moves around, it'll be hard to back him up in a straight line.

i dont disagree, cain needs him to back straight up or get him to commit heavily on strikes. neither of which jds does.

really hard to see how cain wins this but he can do it