Almost broke my two arms

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  1. Brooklyn BJJ

    Brooklyn BJJ CW Platinum Member

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    So I went to a Sambo school around here and rolled with few guys (were all novice/young so it wasn't that great of a challenge).

    Then some big dude who was working that bag wanted to roll with me because he is JJ coach of one of the kids I been rolling with.

    So, I'm like cool I get to roll with a bigger dude (I knew he would maul me, but benefits of power grain are great).

    So we roll roll, he overpowers me all the time, blah blah nothing major.

    Then he fucking pulls this:

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    I never been taught this, and I never freaking thought it would be that fucking close to breaking my two arms so fast, faster then anything I seen. There literature no space before your arms snap.

    I screamed like a mother fucker, good thing dude let go. He thought he snapped both of my arms. lol.

    Obviously I know I made a mistake of exposing my both arms, are there counters to this ONCE its locked on? I assume your instantly owned?
     
  2. Balto

    Balto Silver Belt

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    The double armbar is a very effective submission. You have to tap verbally because your arms are trapped.

    It doesn't come up that frequently in regular training though. The reason being that exposing one arm far enough to be armbarred is a bad enough mistake as it is. Exposing both of your arms in that way is something that most people just would never do.

    It's a good counter to the Homer Simpson choke in your guard and maybe a few neck cranks. Other than that, the situation won't come up often.
     
  3. PhillyD45

    PhillyD45 Orange Belt

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    I can't believe you have never been taught the double arm bar. That is like one of the first submissions I thought everyone was taught. It's like "SUBMISSIONS 101, Chapter 1, page 1. I don't even take BJJ and that was one of the first subs I learnend. It was literally the second sub I was taught at a BJJ seminar.

    I don't know if there is an escape. If there is I have not seen nor learned it.
    I'm really suprised you got caught in it. I've tried to throw it on a bunch of times and never could catch it.

    Has anyone had any success with the double armbar? I know it really hurts when it is applied.
     
  4. anaconda

    anaconda Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

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    Its not one of the first submissions taught at all. The fact that you learned the move at a BJJ seminar proves that if nothing else.

    Also, I disagree with you guys because I dont think its particularly effective or high percentage. It comes on fast so if you're not ready you tap bc you panic. But if you drive in he shouldnt be able to get it Most people panic and pull back, putting more pressure on their elbows.
     
  5. sambosteve

    sambosteve Purple Belt

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    Don't worry. All beginners get caught with that. It is a very basic, and low level sub that, obce you are aware of it, you will almost never get caught in. It is rare to see in comps because everyone knows it and most people with some level of training will never give up both arms.
     
  6. Brooklyn BJJ

    Brooklyn BJJ CW Platinum Member

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    I assume to dive in before the legs are locked on your shoulder pushing you back? Gotta try this.
     
  7. Balto

    Balto Silver Belt

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    How did you get caught in it in the first place?

    Usually the first thing to try is to not extend your arms like that. If you get caught in that submission, you have made a big mistake with your posture.
     
  8. DaRuckus337

    DaRuckus337 Black Belt

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    There's really no reason for your arms to be above anyone's shoulders like that - and certainly not if you don't have a ton of posture on a stacked opponent. Just keep yourself in better position and this won't be a problem.
     
  9. BJJ-guy

    BJJ-guy Blue Belt

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    guys go for chokes a lot when in my closed guard (beginner whitebelt), would this be an effective counter as they're putting both arms out there?
     
  10. jfak

    jfak White Belt

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    i remember catching a guy in that and he had his mouth piece in and his head pointing down so i couldn't really see him and i began to apply pressure and this guy couldn't tap so he started doing this weird thing with his hands (like if calling someone over at a party) and apparently couldn't say shit because of the mouthpiece
    needless to say i felt like a dick for not noticing the guy was in pain
     
  11. grdstorm11

    grdstorm11 Blue Belt

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    Your first mistake was rolling with a big guy.

    when guys outweigh you by a lot, there is a potential injury waiting to happen.
     
  12. Balto

    Balto Silver Belt

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    You don't advocate training with larger partners?

    At every BJJ school I've been to, you are encouraged to roll with people of all sizes.
     
  13. grdstorm11

    grdstorm11 Blue Belt

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    You definitely have to roll with bigger guys. The OP didn't know this guy so I think it was a bad decision on his part.

    A larger opponent should know his own strength, a lot of times you'll get guys even high level players whom can seriously hurt a smaller opponent due to shear weight and power difference. Take a big guy who has a fast game opposed to a slow methodical one. You might not even have to do anything for them to crank a submission a little to hard or to get crushed during a transition.


    Rule of Thumb for me is I watch bigger guys roll before I ask them to roll or if they ask me, I make sure I know their style of game as to not get hurt.

    Nothing sucks more than to sit out days/weeks/months because some asshole doesn't know how to control themselves (even high blues, purples are guilty of this!).
     
  14. hayliks

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    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA
    you got caught the double armbar... that stops working after like 1 week of training.
     
  15. grdstorm11

    grdstorm11 Blue Belt

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    ouch:redface:
     
  16. Tiger Uppercut

    Tiger Uppercut Black Belt

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    we get ragged on in my gym getting caught with that. We call those silly submissions, not b/c they're silly, it's actually badass, but we should never be in a position to get double armbarred
     
  17. Deloitte

    Deloitte Blue Belt

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    Haha indeed.
     
  18. masterfighter

    masterfighter Green Belt

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    My instructor likes doing this, he sort of forces it on people. Maybe its because he has stupidly strong legs but he gets on reasonably experianced people to.
     
  19. PhillyD45

    PhillyD45 Orange Belt

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    It was a seminar at my school where they don't teach BJJ at all (yet). So it was a basic techniques class, no-gi for the most part.
     
  20. Brooklyn BJJ

    Brooklyn BJJ CW Platinum Member

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    I been training BJJ for about 2 years in .. two highly respected schools.. uhh.. never had this done in either. :icon_neut

    Maybe I'm the guy who missed double arm bar day? LOL.
     

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