Allan Orr on chain punching

Sounds cool in theory. Got any videos of this being used in real fights? All I can find are people either explaining how its done or just hitting pads... :icon_lol:
 
GoatyP said:
Sounds cool in theory. Got any videos of this being used in real fights? All I can find are people either explaining how its done or just hitting pads... :icon_lol:
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Alan Orr is the ONE Wing Chun guy you actually don't want to ask for that. He's got students who cross train and have a fair amount of success in MMA.

The issue, as you see, is that it's not exactly the Wing Chun that is taught in many schools (I was going to say 'not pure Wing Chun' but to be honest, I have no idea what pure Wing Chun is. For all intents and purposes, Alan Orr could be teaching real Wing Chun and everyone else is just teaching crap).
 
I've seen 'chain punching' used in real life. Two punches in to the 'chain' and the guy (who was an acquaintance at the time) gets smashed up the head with a king hit and goes down in a heap. Ruined an otherwise good night out seeing bands lol.
 
Chain puncing works. It works even better "on the street" (nerdname for selfdefense situations), then in sparring.

But there are better alternatives if you are a skilled martial artist. Boxing-blast is one.. If you dont know what boxing-blast is, then check out vitor belfort vs wanderlei silva
 
Frode Falch said:
Chain puncing works. It works even better "on the street" (nerdname for selfdefense situations), then in sparring.

But there are better alternatives if you are a skilled martial artist. Boxing-blast is one.. If you dont know what boxing-blast is, then check out vitor belfort vs wanderlei silva
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That is only effective if your opponent backs up in a straight line though.
 
The boxing blast and the chain punch work off the same principle. The main difference is in the punches' structure and execution (I.e. boxing straights vs wing chun vertical punches).

Alan Orr has the most realistically trained and executed wing chun in the business. It's different than the typical wing chun of today because he practices wing chun based on Robert Chu's direction--which is a composite of a few wc lineages an practiced in a pragmatic and application based way.
 


There's a guy chain punching around 3:30 mark in a match.
 
Frode Falch said:
Chain puncing works. It works even better "on the street" (nerdname for selfdefense situations), then in sparring.

But there are better alternatives if you are a skilled martial artist. Boxing-blast is one.. If you dont know what boxing-blast is, then check out vitor belfort vs wanderlei silva
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I don't see the boxing blast or chain punching any more effective than the other. one is vertical fist one is turned over. Jack Dempsey used vertical fists, I don't think the rotation of the arm is where the power is but in the body unity like a hammer and nail going into your opponent......
 
mjw1 said:
I don't see the boxing blast or chain punching any more effective than the other. one is vertical fist one is turned over. Jack Dempsey used vertical fists, I don't think the rotation of the arm is where the power is but in the body unity like a hammer and nail going into your opponent......
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There's a power difference for sure. It's not the fist rotation though that necessarily does this, it's whether you've aligned your elbow with your shoulder and hips (allowing for more follow through) or whether you've aligned it on the center attacking line indicative of WC. The hammer and nail analogy is that the punch hits first and is supported by the forward movement of the body (the hammer). Without the hammer's swing (step) the nail will not penetrate.

IME--the WC chain punching loses effective power when you're not able to reinforce it with forward stepping.

And also IME--the boxing blast is more effective, regardless of having a vertical, horizontal, or diagonal fist orientation.
 
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Jukai said:
Alan Orr is the ONE Wing Chun guy you actually don't want to ask for that. He's got students who cross train and have a fair amount of success in MMA.
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That's very interesting. Do you know any of them by name?
 
SAAMAG said:
There's a power difference for sure. It's not the fist rotation though that necessarily does this, it's whether you've aligned your elbow with your shoulder and hips (allowing for more follow through) or whether you've aligned it on the center attacking line indicative of WC. The hammer and nail analogy is that the punch hits first and is supported by the forward movement of the body (the hammer). Without the hammer's swing (step) the nail will not penetrate.

IME--the WC chain punching loses effective power when you're not able to reinforce it with forward stepping.

And also IME--the boxing blast is more effective, regardless of having a vertical, horizontal, or diagonal fist orientation.
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What makes you say the boxing blast is more powerful, just curious?
 
mjw1 said:
What makes you say the boxing blast is more powerful, just curious?
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Because the punches hit harder, based on the empirical evidence as a byproduct of studying and practicing both fighting arts.

The wing chun punch is fast, but it's simply does not pack the same force as my other punching methods (meaning comparing MY punch to MY punch).
 
Great video! Thanks for posting. Allan Orr really explains the principles underlying various moves very well.

I think the main problem with a lot of WC, and other KF, practitioners is that they actually have very limited knowledge of their art and don't really understand what the purpose of many of the stances, drills and katas are. Hence, they end up trying to apply training drills/stances in an actual fight which isn't how it is supposed to be done (like Orr mentions with regard to speed ball training in boxing). I laugh whenever I see guys trying to fight from a horse stance.
 
I guess we should watch this for entertainment:

 
Blue Streak said:
Great video! Thanks for posting. Allan Orr really explains the principles underlying various moves very well.

I think the main problem with a lot of WC, and other KF, practitioners is that they actually have very limited knowledge of their art and don't really understand what the purpose of many of the stances, drills and katas are. Hence, they end up trying to apply training drills/stances in an actual fight which isn't how it is supposed to be done (like Orr mentions with regard to speed ball training in boxing). I laugh whenever I see guys trying to fight from a horse stance.
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This.

In fact, from my observation, probably at least about 75% of the people I have come across that trained the same system as I do not apply their kung fu in a realistic way. It is not always the fault of the student though, blame often lies in the hands of the instructor. The student doesn't know better, he will believe what he is taught although having a mind that puts what is learned to the test does not do any harm.

Kung Fu is a pretty good system, from it I have received techniques, training methods and philosophy that has been of great value for me in MMA.

The experience I have had with practitioners who have been able to apply their Kung Fu correctly and themselves understood the purpose of their training has been a pleasant one. I have come across very strong martial artists in various Tai Chi and Southern Gung Fu systems and those guys were no different to the strong Grapplers, Thai Boxers or Western Boxers I have come across.

Sadly however, I have come across many more weaker Kung Fu guys also than the other systems but this has come down to the simple fact that the weaker practitioners actually devout little time to their training and it is more of a hobby therefore understandably their knowledge of their art is limited as is their application to real life scenarios. It is probably because of this an art such as Kung Fu is not as well respected as say Muay Thai however this does not change the fact that when applied effectively then it is no different to anything else. Actually, many schools don't stress the importance of Conditioning or Sparring however from my understanding both Conditioning and sparring has traditionally been a critical part of a students training.
 
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