All the single ladies! - The Atlantic

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While politicians like Obama keep bleating on about the "wage gap" while ignoring the most important contributors to that are not simply discrimination, the real problem festers and grows, of young boys and men being increasingly left behind by our school system, which results in less job opportunities for their future.

This is a dire and growing challenge that will be born by all of society. But ya, lets talk about women making less then men and ignore the reasons why, because that gains votes.

(its a good article that raises many interesting discussion points such as how 'players' are created by scarcity. How women typically won't marry 'down' which means ever lessening prospects and bigger wealthy divide for society to deal with)




All the Single Ladies

Recent years have seen an explosion of male joblessness and a steep decline in men’s life prospects that have disrupted the “romantic market” in ways that narrow a marriage-minded woman’s options: increasingly, her choice is between deadbeats (whose numbers are rising) and playboys (whose power is growing).

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...But what transpired next lay well beyond the powers of everybody’s imagination: as women have climbed ever higher, men have been falling behind. We’ve arrived at the top of the staircase, finally ready to start our lives, only to discover a cavernous room at the tail end of a party, most of the men gone already, some having never shown up—and those who remain are leering by the cheese table, or are, you know, the ones you don’t want to go out with.

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Foremost among the reasons for all these changes in family structure are the gains of the women’s movement. Over the past half century, women have steadily gained on—and are in some ways surpassing—men in education and employment. From 1970 (seven years after the Equal Pay Act was passed) to 2007, women’s earnings grew by 44 percent, compared with 6 percent for men. In 2008, women still earned just 77 cents to the male dollar—but that figure doesn’t account for the difference in hours worked, or the fact that women tend to choose lower-paying fields like nursing or education. A 2010 study of single, childless urban workers between the ages of 22 and 30 found that the women actually earned 8 percent more than the men. Women are also more likely than men to go to college: in 2010, 55 percent of all college graduates ages 25 to 29 were female.

...As Hanna Rosin laid out in these pages last year (“The End of Men,”July/August 2010), men have been rapidly declining—in income, in educational attainment, and in future employment prospects—relative to women. As of last year, women held 51.4 percent of all managerial and professional positions, up from 26 percent in 1980. Today women outnumber men not only in college but in graduate school; they earned 60 percent of all bachelor’s and master’s degrees awarded in 2010, and men are now more likely than women to hold only a high-school diploma.

No one has been hurt more by the arrival of the post-industrial economy than the stubbornly large pool of men without higher education. An analysis by Michael Greenstone, an economist at MIT, reveals that, after accounting for inflation, male median wages have fallen by 32 percent since their peak in 1973, once you account for the men who have stopped working altogether. The Great Recession accelerated this imbalance. Nearly three-quarters of the 7.5 million jobs lost in the depths of the recession were lost by men, making 2010 the first time in American history that women made up the majority of the workforce. Men have since then regained a small portion of the positions they’d lost—but they remain in a deep hole, and most of the jobs that are least likely ever to come back are in traditionally male-dominated sectors, like manufacturing and construction.

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American women as a whole have never been confronted with such a radically shrinking pool of what are traditionally considered to be “marriageable” men—those who are better educated and earn more than they do. So women are now contending with what we might call the new scarcity. Even as women have seen their range of options broaden in recent years—for instance, expanding the kind of men it’s culturally acceptable to be with, and making it okay not to marry at all—the new scarcity disrupts what economists call the “marriage market” in a way that in fact narrows the available choices, making a good man harder to find than ever. At the rate things are going, the next generation’s pool of good men will be significantly smaller. What does this portend for the future of the American family?

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In b4 Atheist, em, DP, whines about feminism.
 
Yep, all the critics and top MSM brass are probably women too now which is why they slam BVS, and have now forced DC to all but go Lite-hearted with Suicide Squad. LOLZ I am just fucking with you.
 
I don't know a single actual human who gives a shit about the wage gap.
But I do know stay at home moms with working husbands.
Odd.

Don't care who makes money or who gets laid. Apathy, that's my game yo.
 
All this is why I'm considering shifting my identity to lesbian.


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The leftist and feminist movement does not want strong families with men making the money and women staying home to raise the children. In fact, they hate the traditional family structure. Because it takes power over people away from the federal govt.
 
Wage gap is a good filter for me to determine who is worth conversing with
 
The leftist and feminist movement does not want strong families with men making the money and women staying home to raise the children. In fact, they hate the traditional family structure. Because it takes power over people away from the federal govt.
I don't see how having a woman work empowers the federal govt.
 
Society is typically more encouraging of women to complain about the dating pool than they are of men.
 
I don't see how having a woman work empowers the federal govt.
Each family needs to do what they need to do to put food on the table.

What's damaging is the feminist movement discouraging motherhood and falling in love with a real man. If there's a bunch of single ladies who don't want men but they want uncle sam to be their provider instead.
 
Each family needs to do what they need to do to put food on the table.

What's damaging is the feminist movement discouraging motherhood and falling in love with a real man. If there's a bunch of single ladies who don't want men but they want uncle sam to be their provider instead.
I still don't see how Uncle Sam gets more power if husband and wife both work, or if the wife does and hubby stays home. Or if people stay single and work.

Some single women want to be on the dole, but others want to provide for themselves.
 
I still don't see how Uncle Sam gets more power if husband and wife both work, or if the wife does and hubby stays home. Or if people stay single and work.

Some single women want to be on the dole, but others want to provide for themselves.
I'm talking about the feminist agenda being pushed and women looking to build careers instead of looking to fall in love and get married.
 
First, it's a great time to be male, attractive and educated on the dating market.

Second, this change in economic and education balance, imho, fuels a lot of the modern anti-feminism backlash. That's not a commentary on the good/bad of said backlash, only my opinion on it's origin.

Third, it will be interesting to see how far this pendulum swings and where the balance ends up being. Technology that appropriates labor-driven employment will harm male dominated fields more frequently than female ones.

Fourth, women essentially double the labor force driving up supply and, again imho, driving down wages for both men and women. As the global market place gradually encompasses more women, what does this mean for developing nations?
 
In b4 Atheist, em, DP, whines about feminism.

Actually, I was going to say that Obama is a goddam clueless cuck. The useful idiot has gone on countless times about a wage gap that does not exist. He spewed that shit recently in Canadian parliament and received a standing ovation. Disgusting! :mad::mad:
 
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Actually, I was going to say that Obama is a goddam clueless cuck. The useful idiot has gone on countless times about a wage gap that does not exist. He spewed that shit recently in Canadian parliament and received a standing ovation.

It is not the job of a politician to know things. It is the job of a politician to repeat things.
 
I remember reading this article a while ago and I think its excellent. I won't reread it because its not that good so I can't discuss a lot of the finer details but I remember being dissatisfied with some of it. Here's a section I had an issue with.
Even more momentously, we no longer need husbands to have children, nor do we have to have children if we don’t want to. For those who want their own biological child, and haven’t found the right man, now is a good time to be alive. Biological parenthood in a nuclear family need not be the be-all and end-all of womanhood—and in fact it increasingly is not. Today 40 percent of children are born to single mothers. This isn’t to say all of these women preferred that route, but the fact that so many upper-middle-class women are choosing to travel it—and that gays and lesbians (married or single) and older women are also having children, via adoption or in vitro fertilization—has helped shrink the stigma against single motherhood. Even as single motherhood is no longer a disgrace, motherhood itself is no longer compulsory. Since 1976, the percentage of women in their early 40s who have not given birth has nearly doubled. A childless single woman of a certain age is no longer automatically perceived as a barren spinster.
There is plenty of evidence that shows that children raised by single mothers perform worse than their peers raised by their married biological parents. So the rise of single motherhood is not to be celebrated but rather should be a cause for concern. The increasing number of women who elect not to conceive should also be a cause for concern if the demographic crisis of Japan is any indication and I believe it is.

So the increasing instances of single motherhood and single women who don't conceive is mentioned but the implications are ignored. Not surprising since that might challenge the author's world view and her sense of self given how she embraces her life as a single, childless women. We have to understand that we live in a society and that our individual choices, when scaled up, have consequences. We should not be encouraging or accepting the rise of single motherhood and the childless career woman.
 
First, it's a great time to be male, attractive and educated on the dating market.

Second, this change in economic and education balance, imho, fuels a lot of the modern anti-feminism backlash. That's not a commentary on the good/bad of said backlash, only my opinion on it's origin.

Third, it will be interesting to see how far this pendulum swings and where the balance ends up being. Technology that appropriates labor-driven employment will harm male dominated fields more frequently than female ones.

Fourth, women essentially double the labor force driving up supply and, again imho, driving down wages for both men and women. As the global market place gradually encompasses more women, what does this mean for developing nations?
re: number 4, my understanding is that a number of developing nations have actually benefited from female entry into the marketplace, because they've helped drive demand for new products more than they've taken away in terms of jobs.
 
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