All major Unions (teachers, trades, Workers) support Hillary Clinton

[SouthoftheAndes]

Could this signify that Union elites are realistic in their greater aspirations for actual policy making and the economic realities and possibilities of getting a minimum wage increase? It also seems that NOT all Unions want a $15 mandatory minimum wage, since many feel it would cut into Union workers wages which hover in that range.

It seems that despite the absurd calls for a $15 an hour minimum wage the Unions and their leaders seem content backing a candidate who calls for a much more reasonable and realistic minimum wage of $12 per hour.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/labor-union-endorses-hillary-clinton_56549936e4b0d4093a594426

The Laborers' International Union of North America, or LIUNA, announced Tuesday that it would be throwing its weight behind the front-runner, rather than Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) or former Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley. The union said in a statement that it arrived at the decision after a membership poll and a vote by the union's executive board.

"LIUNA has roughly a half-million members working mostly in the construction and building trades."











Unions that support Hillary Clinton


1) American Federation of Teachers-------- 1,600,000 million Members--- (Represents Teachers)


2) National Education Association------------3,000,000 million Members (Largest Labor Union in the U.S.)


3) American Federation of State County and Municipal Employees---------------1,600,000 Members-- (Largest Trade Union of Public Employees in the United States).


4) Service Employees International----------1,900,000 million Members (Represents workers from over 100 occupations in the USA, Canada, Puerto Rico. (Main members are people in the field of health care, property services, and public services.


5) International Association of Machinist and Aerospace Workers--- 600,000 Members in the USA and Canada. Represents Machinist and Aerospace Workers.


6) United Brotherhood of Carpenters and Joiners of America---- +500,000 Members (Represents Carpenters)


7) Operative Plasterers’ and Cement Masons’ International Association--------------------39,000 Members (Represents Plasterers, and cement Masons in the USA and Canada.


8) International Union of Painters and Allied Trades--- +103,000 Members (Represents Painters, Glaziers, Coverers, Flooring installers, Convention and Trade Show decorators, Glassworkers, Sign and Display workers, Asbestos workers throughout the USA and Canada.


9) United Union of Roofers--------------------------------+22,000 Members (Represents Roofers)


10) International Union of Brickslayers-------------------+79,000 Members (Represents Brickslayers).


11) United Association of Journeymen and Apprentices of the Plumbing, Pipefitting and Sprinkler Fitting Industry of the United States and Canada------------------------------+ 330,000 Members (Represents Plumbers, Gasfitters, Steamfitters) etc.

 

[Aegon Spengler]

That's good news for Hillary, but I'm sure Sanders expected it to go like this.

If Sanders can somehow win the nomination they'll obviously swing his way.

 

[MadSquabbles500]

Teachers Union I can understand, because it is either mostly women, or has a large amount of women. And you know, Hilary is a victim of a philandering husband, and them women gotta stick together.

What has Clinton said in her rallys and debates that concern the construction and trade Unions?

 

[Stoic1]

Interesting. I would have thought unions would be more inclined towards Sanders considering his socialist agenda.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

What has Clinton said in her rallys and debates that concern the construction and trade Unions?

Something about just kidding the 43 times she said TPP was great.

 

[SouthoftheAndes]

Teachers Union I can understand, because it is either mostly women, or has a large amount of women. And you know, Hilary is a victim of a philandering husband, and them women gotta stick together.

What has Clinton said in her rallys and debates that concern the construction and trade Unions?

Well she has +40 years of being an advocate for Education. Look back at her career.

Heck her Wikipedia page alone amazed me. I to was thought she was just pandering on education until I see that literally from day one she has been an advocate for these causes.

As far as what she has said to gain the support of construction and other trade unions? I am not entirely sure but id imagine that her realism is something that wins over the Union Leaders who are all but aware of what can reasonably get through congress and what the actual implications of a $15 an hour minimum wage means for their union members.

 

[ChillyPalmer]

They feel she is most likely to win, and when she does they'll have her ear.

 

[SouthoftheAndes]

Something about just kidding the 43 times she said TPP was great.

You really are dishonest aren't you?

Do you also realize that certain sectors/groups will benefit from increased U.S. Exports?

It is a myth that "all workers" or "all people" are against the TPP. And as it has been proven the deal was not cloaked in secrecy. So anyway go back to smearing people I doubt you even know how a simple supply and demand graph works.

 

[Quipling]

Interesting. I would have thought unions would be more inclined towards Sanders considering his socialist agenda.

One thing that sometimes escapes people is that despite an ideologically spottier background than Sanders, Clinton supporters see her as a more effective advocate for most democratic positions, for a variety of reasons I'll not go into right now.

Basically, she'll be ideologically wrong 20% of the time, but half her shit will get done. So, of 100 "accomplishments," 10 of her accomplishments will be bad, and 40 will be good, with a net of +30

Sanders is seen to have much more appealing targets, but much less likely to hit them. Give him a 95% ideology score, but only a 20% efficiency score: Only one of his results will be "wrong," but he'll only accomplish 20 "good" results, with a net of +19.

 

[Quipling]

You really are dishonest aren't you?

Do you also realize that certain sectors/groups will benefit from increased U.S. Exports?

It is a myth that "all workers" or "all people" are against the TPP. And as it has been proven the deal was not cloaked in secrecy. So anyway go back to smearing people I doubt you even know how a simple supply and demand graph works.

In red, I've highlighted your complaint about smearing, and in blue, I've highlighted your smears.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

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Just shows how stupid they are voting against their own interest $$$. - Hilary has praised all sorts of conservative (read corporate) ideas - NAFTA, TPP (oh wait - she's against it now), defended outsourcing, etc. :icon_lol:

 

[Anung Un Rama]

You really are dishonest aren't you?

Do you also realize that certain sectors/groups will benefit from increased U.S. Exports?

It is a myth that "all workers" or "all people" are against the TPP. And as it has been proven the deal was not cloaked in secrecy. So anyway go back to smearing people I doubt you even know how a simple supply and demand graph works.

It's dishonest to say Hillary Clinton promoted the amazingness of TPP only to come out against it just prior to getting most, if not all of these union endorsements?


Or are you being nitpicky because I say 43, when she really promoted it at least 45 times?

The recent wave of support wasn’t always the case. Clinton lost favor with many unionized workers for her opposition to the Keystone Pipeline and her hesitance to oppose the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP).

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2015/11/24/h...-another-big-union-endorsement/#ixzz3sT75phLc

If you go union endorsement by union endorsement you will find that almost all of them came after she flip flopped on TPP.

Just the facts SotA. Sorry if that stings.

 

[Quipling]

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Just shows how stupid they are voting against their own interest $$$. - Hilary has praised all sorts of conservative (read corporate) ideas - NAFTA, TPP (oh wait - she's against it now), defended outsourcing, etc. :icon_lol:

Defending TPP isn't politically correct right now, in either party. That's not to say whether TPP is good or bad, and I am highly suspicious of anyone who thinks they can make that claim already (let alone anyone who made that claim 2 months ago), but it is clearly not politically expedient.

 

[SouthoftheAndes]

One thing that sometimes escapes people is that despite an ideologically spottier background than Sanders, Clinton supporters see her as a more effective advocate for most democratic positions, for a variety of reasons I'll not go into right now.

Basically, she'll be ideologically wrong 20% of the time, but half her shit will get done. So, of 100 "accomplishments," 10 of her accomplishments will be bad, and 40 will be good, with a net of +30

Sanders is seen to have much more appealing targets, but much less likely to hit them. Give him a 95% ideology score, but only a 20% efficiency score: Only one of his results will be "wrong," but he'll only accomplish 20 "good" results, with a net of +19.

That is a reasonably fair assessment but id argue that Sanders is not right 95% of the time. He has already been proven wrong on his overestimation of bank assets relative to size of economy and


http://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/facts-clinton-sanders-wrong/2015/10/15/id/696380/

This alone shows he either lies or is ignorant on that which he speaks.

In red, I've highlighted your complaint about smearing, and in blue, I've highlighted your smears.

Creepy

 

[Quipling]

That is a reasonably fair assessment but id argue that Sanders is not right 95% of the time. He has already been proven wrong on his overestimation of bank assets relative to size of economy and

I'm not talking about factual accuracy, but about ideological accuracy. The left is traditionally somewhat anti-capital, so measures and estimates that oppose Big Banking are ideologically desirable.

As another example, when Sanders says that "climate change could render our planet uninhabitable" he is being ideologically accurate in his strong position on climate change. However, he is not factually accurate,* and that (among other reasons) means he will likely be less effective at getting things done on that front.**


*(Climate change will render parts of the planet less habitable, but it will not do that for the entire planet)

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Defending TPP isn't politically correct right now, in either party. That's not to say whether TPP is good or bad, and I am highly suspicious of anyone who thinks they can make that claim already (let alone anyone who made that claim 2 months ago), but it is clearly not politically expedient.

I just always wanted to use the line vote against your own interest in regard to a democrat.

But regardless - she certainly favored TPP until opinion polls showed that most unions were against it.

 

[SouthoftheAndes]

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Just shows how stupid they are voting against their own interest $$$. - Hilary has praised all sorts of conservative (read corporate) ideas - NAFTA, TPP (oh wait - she's against it now), defended outsourcing, etc. :icon_lol:

Umm NAFTA is entirely a different thing and if you listen to propaganda then you will believe that any trade deal is bad. However, globalization is a real thing and you cannot stop TRADE.

Also, this trade deal is supposed to increase trade efficiency's and comparative advantage of countries producing the best goods they ought to produce.

It's dishonest to say Hillary Clinton promoted the amazingness of TPP only to come out against it just prior to getting most, if not all of these union endorsements?


Or are you being nitpicky because I say 43, when she really promoted it at least 45 times?



If you go union endorsement by union endorsement you will find that almost all of them came after she flip flopped on TPP.

Just the facts SotA. Sorry if that stings.

I mean this hatred you have for me and Clinton. This tendency you have to try and disrupt and derail threads and your fixation on what Clinton said in the past. This fixation also on trying to find little white lies.

I know she is pandering (I believe she is but cannot be 100% certain she is) on the TPP and I don't like it because I think if she was upfront about the potential pro's and con's on the TPP she could actually increase her fan base. It is a myth that "all workers" are against Free Trade and that everyone loses. There are many people who are set to gain from this deal and the biggest losers like always are certain areas of manufacturing meanwhile Services, Transportation, and Agriculture benefit.


However, the fact remains that you are the only one who is crazed enough to hound daily over what she said. Apparently people can't change their minds once presented new evidence.

 

[SouthoftheAndes]

I'm not talking about factual accuracy, but about ideological accuracy. The left is traditionally somewhat anti-capital, so measures and estimates that oppose Big Banking are ideologically desirable.

As another example, when Sanders says that "climate change could render our planet uninhabitable" he is being ideologically accurate in his strong position on climate change. However, he is not factually accurate,* and that (among other reasons) means he will likely be less effective at getting things done on that front.**


*(Climate change will render parts of the planet less habitable, but it will not do that for the entire planet)

Oh well in that case you are correct and I concede.

And yeah sizable portions of the left are Anti-Capital

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Umm NAFTA is entirely a different thing and if you listen to propaganda then you will believe that any trade deal is bad. However, globalization is a real thing and you cannot stop TRADE.

Also, this trade deal is supposed to increase trade efficiency's and comparative advantage of countries producing the best goods they ought to produce.

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You don't have to sell me on TPP, but there's a ton of unions that were dead set against it - unlike Hillary Clinton - so she "evolved" on the issue.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

Umm NAFTA is entirely a different thing and if you listen to propaganda then you will believe that any trade deal is bad. However, globalization is a real thing and you cannot stop TRADE.

Also, this trade deal is supposed to increase trade efficiency's and comparative advantage of countries producing the best goods they ought to produce.



I mean this hatred you have for me and Clinton. This tendency you have to try and disrupt and derail threads and your fixation on what Clinton said in the past. This fixation also on trying to find little white lies.

I know she is pandering (I believe she is but cannot be 100% certain she is) on the TPP and I don't like it because I think if she was upfront about the potential pro's and con's on the TPP she could actually increase her fan base. It is a myth that "all workers" are against Free Trade and that everyone loses. There are many people who are set to gain from this deal and the biggest losers like always are certain areas of manufacturing meanwhile Services, Transportation, and Agriculture benefit.


However, the fact remains that you are the only one who is crazed enough to hound daily over what she said. Apparently people can't change their minds once presented new evidence.

Sincere comments ahead:
1. I don't hate you.
2. I actually felt bad for making the first post, because, while it is pertinent to the thread and again factual, I know it upsets you and complicates your narrative. I'll leave you to your Hillary threads for now on. Mostly.
3. You are annoying, tho. Especially when I post facts and support them with reputable sources and your knee jerk response is to use Hack Savage techniques of calling a person dishonest or crazy. That is just rude and dishonest. I even tried to have a normal debate with you once and you ran away.
4. It's okay to support Hillary (I wouldn't. Ever.), but you have to accept the good and the bad. The good is she is a very intelligent and experienced candidate. The bad is she is a liar with poor judgement.

I'll leave now. I'll only come back if you quote me or if I read a comment that directly addresses one of my posts in here. Good luck.

ttfn.