Alien abductions and contactees.

[BearGrounds]

What are your thoughts on the alien abduction and contactee phenomena? Extraterrestrial entities snatching up humans and performing experiments, or simply making contact with chosen individuals for whatever reason. Is it really taking place, or do you think it's merely a product of hallucination, crazy, a secret military psyop, etc..?

Alien Abductee Susan Moughton.



- First time she remembers seeing alien beings was at age 19, as they were coming into her room.
- Beings resemble a typical short Grey.
- Multiple abductions throughout life.
- Paints them to relieve the resulting stress and trauma.

Harved MD and investigator of the phenomena.



John Edward Mack M.D. (October 4, 1929 – September 27, 2004) was an American psychiatrist, parapsychologist, writer, and professor at Harvard Medical School. He was a Pulitzer Prize-winning biographer, a leading researcher and writer on alien abductionexperiences, and a campaigner for the elimination of nuclear weapons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_E._Mack

I can't call it, nevertheless I find the phenomena to be pretty interesting. Do I believe it a possibility? Yea, sure; wouldn't surprise me. As far as experimentation goes, we'd do it if we could. However, the implications of such a thing being a reality are rather bothersome. I'd be curious to know their intentions. What they use us for. Etc.

 

[gspieler]

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

... do not exist and never have

 

[BearGrounds]

Lol I knew it wouldn't be long before GSP and/or anal probing was brought up ITT.

 

[BearGrounds]

... do not exist and never have

So your explanation for it is, I assume, a combination of mental illness and outright lies?

 

[Organic Damage]

I remember someone saying the incidence of people reporting alien abductions shot up sharply in conjunction with some major event, but I can't for the life of me remember what it was.

Anyway the supposition was that the imaginations of a certain segment of people had been primed for these "experiences" (I won't go as far as delusions) which in previous generations might have been replaced with other common pervasive fears.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

So your explanation for it is, I assume, a combination of mental illness and outright lies?

Confusion, mostly. People are so readily mislead, and are terrible observers. The number of times astronomers at universities get called about the bright light in the sky that keeps moving around following people... that turns out to be Jupiter... is surprisingly high. Well, not to me.

Think about it. People are certain there are ghosts, but nobody's ever photographed one. People are certain Bigfoot is real, and yet no droppings or corpses or even so much as a footprint.
People at my hospital will swear up and down that the full moon affects human behavior, and it simply isn't so, but they're nurses, and that makes them infallible observers, according to them. You get a sense of how much they need to believe it by how angry they become when you explain why they're mistaken.

 

[BearGrounds]

Confusion, mostly. People are so readily mislead, and are terrible observers. The number of times astronomers at universities get called about the bright light in the sky that keeps moving around following people... that turns out to be Jupiter... is surprisingly high. Well, not to me.

Think about it. People are certain there are ghosts, but nobody's ever photographed one. People are certain Bigfoot is real, and yet no droppings or corpses or even so much as a footprint.
People at my hospital will swear up and down that the full moon affects human behavior, and it simply isn't so, but they're nurses, and that makes them infallible observers, according to them. You get a sense of how much they need to believe it by how angry they become when you explain why they're mistaken.

Fair enough. Humans being awful observers is often given as an explanation. Eyewitness testimony can be flawed, it is known. But humans can also observe things accurately and as they are, while remembering them quite vividly.

An abduction scenario isn't really comparable to misidentifying Jupiter as a UFO. There is a distinct interaction between beings being explained during these accounts. There are also often similarities in descriptions from subject to subject, which is one of the reasons investigators, such as the MD mentioned above, find the reports compelling enough to view as potentially being much more than mere confusion.

 

[RoryFan]

So your explanation for it is, I assume, a combination of mental illness and outright lies?

I'm sure a large portion of the reported cases can be attributed to sleep paralysis.

 

[D3THRONED]

... do not exist and never have

So you know everything that's going on in the entire universe? Right. What an ignorant statement.

 

[tomjones]

Never happened

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

So you know everything that's going on in the entire universe?

An assumption that doesn't follow from my statement.

Right. What an ignorant statement.

Condescending tip: when constructing the argument, don't begin with "So...".
What usually follows is an absurd rewording of the initial statement, also called the straw man fallacy because it's intentionally built to be easily burned down.

 

[blaseblah]

With today's technology there's no excuse not filming whatever weird shit people claim to see. Conveniently they don't. I think it's just a cry for attention.

 

[*Z*]

Confusion, mostly. People are so readily mislead, and are terrible observers. The number of times astronomers at universities get called about the bright light in the sky that keeps moving around following people... that turns out to be Jupiter... is surprisingly high. Well, not to me.

Think about it. People are certain there are ghosts, but nobody's ever photographed one. People are certain Bigfoot is real, and yet no droppings or corpses or even so much as a footprint.
People at my hospital will swear up and down that the full moon affects human behavior, and it simply isn't so, but they're nurses, and that makes them infallible observers, according to them. You get a sense of how much they need to believe it by how angry they become when you explain why they're mistaken.

Do you just not believe aliens exists or do you just think they aren't abducting people?

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

Do you just not believe aliens exists or do you just think they aren't abducting people?

I don't measure in terms of belief, I gauge likelihoods:

1. It's extremely likely that simple alien life exists. Probably microbial life will be found in our Jovian backyard, in our lifetimes.
2. Intelligent alien life is less likely but I still see it as highly likely.

The problem is simply the physical limitations that have to be overcome to travel interstellar distances... not to mention that developing the technology to exceed C needs a motivator for a society to expend those kinds of resources.

So we need to consider the subset of intelligent technological species that want to bother with spacefaring, not just in their own neighborhood, but across galactic distances, and actually develop a means of superlumiinal travel...

Pretty low chances, I think

 

[Treeloy]

I remember someone saying the incidence of people reporting alien abductions shot up sharply in conjunction with some major event, but I can't for the life of me remember what it was.

Anyway the supposition was that the imaginations of a certain segment of people had been primed for these "experiences" (I won't go as far as delusions) which in previous generations might have been replaced with other common pervasive fears.

The major event was the detonation of the first atomic bomb

 

[PRESIDENT TRUMP]

Do you just not believe aliens exists or do you just think they aren't abducting people?

Do you believe aliens are visiting earth and abducting people?

 

[IloveTHIS]

some people might laugh at this but whatever.

I genuinely think almost all abductions are bullshit. however, sometimes I try to meditate really hard, trying to make some kind of psychic contact with any aliens that might be out there. I try to let them know that if they just reveal themselves to me & abduct me, I wont tell or try to hurt them. I just want them to abduct me, talk and interact with me, and then put me back. it can be our little secret.

they havent done it yet

 

[RockstarChris]

 

[BEER]

I think a lot of it is probably extreme lucid dreaming/ sleep paralysis.

Without a doubt, some are faking it for attention. Some segment is probably mentally ill people with severe hallucinations. A small portion might be people using hallucinogenic drugs.