Advice for fighting big people

[Dawgie]

Took advice from the other thread and made my own thread. More specifically, how to stop from getting my open guard passed so easily. These bigger guys have been destroying my open guard by pinning my leg down and passing on the side. They are literally brute forcing my leg down, and I don't think the wisest move is to resist with all my energy either. I'm about 5'8 155lbs (good shape), vs. big people around 6 foot ~195lbers. Whats are some things good small grapplers do vs you big people so u cant pass their guards? Any input is much appreciated.

 

[codemonkey76]

squeeze your knees together, keep it tight so they can't get the leverage, it will build up your leg strength as well. Play rubber guard

 

[JustScrap435]

Try working spider guard. Control there hand/arms and put your feet on there hips and move

 

[Joe Herman]

Play defense until they make a mistake then hurry up and lock down the sub.

Use upside down guard it's excellent against much bigger guys

Give up guard - play half guard, easier to sweep from than full guard when your outmuscled, and big guys give up the back A LOT.

Give up your back - it is better to give the back than the mount or a knee ride when rolling with a guy thats got you by 40+ lbs.

If you can give your back then turn into his guard your golden, big guys rarely have a good guard game as they are usually bigger and are used to being in top position

Play rubber guard

rubber guard when you're outweighed by 40-60lbs is a HORRIBLE choice, unless you have VERY STRETCHABLE knees OR are a rubber guard MASTER.

Try working spider guard.

No way you maintain wrist control against a guy who can just pull your arms out of socket, especially in a gi

I'm 5'6" 140lbs when I'm wet and have rocks in my pockets.

All I can say is I have never trained with anyone within 20 lbs of me. The only time I ever rolled with guys my own size is at tourney's, and it is always a shock to get a grip and realize your opponent cannot just break it with no problem.

Take all the advice you can throw out what does not work for you and mold the rest to your game,

BTW 5'8" 155 and in good shape is not little. You got a SOLID 15-20 lbs on the little guys:icon_conf

Good luck

 

[DaRuckus337]

In no gi, be a wrestler. Be very shifty and active on top and in guard to force a dynamic, wrestling paced game. Be explosive. If you are decisive, quick, and precise with your movements, then you will be able to take advantage of the many opportunities that arise when you force alot positions and transitions on a larger opponent.

In gi, be patient and cautious, then explosive, decisive, quick and precise.


Either way, it's not easy, and will take a fair amount grappling experience of some kind before you can expect to have regular success against decent larger opponents. This is how I roll, good luck.

 

[GZUS]

there is a point when trying to keep the open guard is useless. try turning to your knees, getting to your stomach, or getting to your feet.

also move your hips more to open up angles for you and close off the angle at which the opponent is using to pass your guard.

 

[bob]

keep trying to re involve your other leg that isnt pinned, also manipulating his head towards the side he is passing is a great tool too.

 

[Doop]

Play defense until they make a mistake then hurry up and lock down the sub.

Use upside down guard it's excellent against much bigger guys

Give up guard - play half guard, easier to sweep from than full guard when your outmuscled, and big guys give up the back A LOT.

Give up your back - it is better to give the back than the mount or a knee ride when rolling with a guy thats got you by 40+ lbs.

If you can give your back then turn into his guard your golden, big guys rarely have a good guard game as they are usually bigger and are used to being in top position



rubber guard when you're outweighed by 40-60lbs is a HORRIBLE choice, unless you have VERY STRETCHABLE knees OR are a rubber guard MASTER.



No way you maintain wrist control against a guy who can just pull your arms out of socket, especially in a gi

I'm 5'6" 140lbs when I'm wet and have rocks in my pockets.

All I can say is I have never trained with anyone within 20 lbs of me. The only time I ever rolled with guys my own size is at tourney's, and it is always a shock to get a grip and realize your opponent cannot just break it with no problem.

Take all the advice you can throw out what does not work for you and mold the rest to your game,

Good luck

this guys got it

 

[Dawgie]

keep trying to re involve your other leg that isnt pinned, also manipulating his head towards the side he is passing is a great tool too.

Im not sure what you mean, what should I do with my free leg.

 

[disconnect]

Play defense until they make a mistake then hurry up and lock down the sub.

This sounds like the most logical thing to do.

If they keep passing with ease, work on your guard recovery & pull him back in. Keep a higher guard...subs come more easily from there. Also watch his arm placement. While he is muscling your leg down, he might be leaving his arm out, and the armbar might be there. If he leaves one arm in the guard, and one arm outside of it, the triangle is always an option.

Play defense first and see what his movements are, and you'll be seeing many opportunities in no time :icon_twis

 

[bunnunce_boy3]

squeeze your knees together, keep it tight so they can't get the leverage, it will build up your leg strength as well. Play rubber guard

great advice! DUH

 

[letsgotribe9]

I've found a high guard or rubber guard to be very useful against bigger opponents, despite what some may say. The pressure on the neck and shoulder region is very hard to break. The only real concern is if they're a beast and pull you up (in that instance let go), but you don't see that often because your center of gravity is too high up on their body. I haven't found stacking to be a problem yet either.

I also only use the rubber guard to stand back up, but I do it immediately after I get rubber guard. If you could grab a whizzer with the open guard, you could stand back up again too. Half-guard is a better option too. Coming to think about it, everything BUT a closed guard works for me for bigger opponents.

I think the only times I've beaten large opponents (50-100lbs more) has been through having their back or playing a very conservative mount or side control. You should count your blessings though. Once you roll with someone your size, it feels like a dream. It's like all your options multiply when you get someone close to your size.

 

[Mackavelli]

Great thread, Im in the same boat.

 

[Dawgie]

I've found a high guard or rubber guard to be very useful against bigger opponents, despite what some may say. The pressure on the neck and shoulder region is very hard to break. The only real concern is if they're a beast and pull you up (in that instance let go), but you don't see that often because your center of gravity is too high up on their body. I haven't found stacking to be a problem yet either.

I also only use the rubber guard to stand back up, but I do it immediately after I get rubber guard. If you could grab a whizzer with the open guard, you could stand back up again too. Half-guard is a better option too. Coming to think about it, everything BUT a closed guard works for me for bigger opponents.

I think the only times I've beaten large opponents (50-100lbs more) has been through having their back or playing a very conservative mount or side control. You should count your blessings though. Once you roll with someone your size, it feels like a dream. It's like all your options multiply when you get someone close to your size.

I agree with your high guard and rubber guard is awesome for keeping their posture broken, but sometimes before I can break their posture they pass my guard, I'll work on it though and listen to all the advice you guys have posted. Thanks a lot.

 

[Mr.QuikHands]

dude im 5'5 and 120 pounds and trust me you haven't felt rolling with big people like i have. <y only advice is keep a half full guard and butterfly so you can work for sweeps and have some control of the situation

 

[sproggdawg]

dude im 5'5 and 120 pounds and trust me you haven't felt rolling with big people like i have. <y only advice is keep a half full guard and butterfly so you can work for sweeps and have some control of the situation

How does that help? I agree with everyone who said forget playing closed guard. Its much easier for larger guys to break your guard and much harder for you to replace it. I personally would take the back and work from there. I prefer to take the back anyway, but its much easier against larger opponents.

 

[freestyleJJ 101]

hmmm, so hes driving your leg to the mat and passing with ease, this is what i like to do when this happens to me. try hooking the guys tricep with your hand on the side hes pushing your leg down with.... therefore you will disable it, say hes looking to pass over your right leg, so you will be grabbing his left arm by his tricep with your right hand, now pull it in towards his body, post your left heel on his right hip, and post your left hand on his right shoulder. as for your right leg, pull your heel behind his left knee so he cant post his left leg out and stp you from rolling him, then in one motion roll him over so you will obtain the mount. this involves a little bit of timining and practice. this is one of my favorites and it works very well for me. hope this helps

 

[boman2727]

I'm 5'4 150 I play alot of Eddie Bravos' system of half guard because big guys will let you play half guard more often because they're already half past your guard in the first place. I go Lockdown old skool. If he doesn't give me old skool.. then electric chair/ electric chair sweep . big guys fall for it all the time. ... Try this path out and see what you think... and good luck in your training.