Adesanya is succesful in MW because the division lack of elite wrestlers

He would also probably gas and get caught late.
Maybe, i just remember being impressed with how Teh Chris gave Machida almost no room
to work and get going. He pressured from the beginning and I believe the cage size(i think)
Was a little smaller. So it was easier. That Chris would give Israel problems as long he doesn't gas like you mentioned, i think that pressure style and with those takedowns and overall solid grappling would given Israel problems.
 
Maybe, i just remember being impressed with how Teh Chris gave Machida almost no room
to work and get going. He pressured from the beginning and I believe the cage size(i think)
Was a little smaller. So it was easier. That Chris would give Israel problems as long he doesn't gas like you mentioned, i think that pressure style and with those takedowns and overall solid grappling would given Israel problems.

Pre-USASA Weidman who wasn't yet exposed to have Arlovski-esque head movement moving backward was dangerous for sure but Lyoto really hurt him and seemingly had a better tank which was rare for Machida.
 
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israel is pretty easy to beat tbh, idk how no one at mw has done it yet
 
Pre-USASA Weidman who wasn't yet exposed to have Arlovski-esque head movement moving backward was dangerous for sure but Lyoto really hurt him and seemingly had a better tank which was rare for Machida.
Yea, Lyoto was mounting a comeback at times in the 4th & 5th. He was really throwing a lot more into his strikes. I'm kinda on the fence with the whole Weidman Usada thing, but there is no denying there was pretty steep drop off in performances once the program in place. I really think that style that Chris brought would really give Israel problems, and he was a lot bigger
back then also.

To the topic of thread, there really isn't any wrestlers that can threaten Israel with top pressure & size, not saying no one can take him, but his TDD seems to be alright. I think Israel ground game is a little overrated imo, his fans claims it up there, but he seems not comfortable on his back almost spazzy at times with hand fighting and positional awareness. It's not Israel's fault there really isn't a solid MMA wrestler in the division right now.
 
Once he will face an elite wrestler he gonna look very average

He is a smart fighter who can avoid hard shot and he is a good counter fighter but recently he mostly faced reckless strikers (whittaker and costa) or bad wrestler (vettori)

He fucked up your leg with calf kick and go to decision by kicking and puching you from the outside, if you rush at him stupidly he counter you and finish you off, thats basicaly his strategy the whole fights

But against an elite wrestler who will ragdoll him he gonna struggle , his takedown defense didnt look too bad but far from elite + he his skinny and have long leg he might not be that hard to put down for someone a bit heavier than him

What i try to say is that Izzy puzzle might look hard to solve, it is, but not that much, just need to found a good wrestler and the job will be done

Jan showed the way more or less

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I actually agree to an extent and I think his grappling is a little lackluster given how good a striker he is and how far along his career he is. But he can't help what styles are prevalent in the division and he has actively sought challenges. He challenged Romero when Costa got injured so you can't say he's not calling out the wrestlers that are there. Of course Romero doesn't actually employ a grappling heavy game plan but still, not Israel's fault. Marvin tried so it showed that Israel has some defense but really Marvin is an all rounder, not a specialist grappler. Brunson did bring the threat of the takedown and Israel dealt with him easily but he was never put in a bad spot grappling wise because he won key exchanges on the feet.

We'll see. Sometimes its not the weakness that you think which ends up bringing a great champ down. Everyone used to think the way to beat Aldo was tow wrestle him a bit, drag him to deep waters, and maybe finish him in the last round. In the end his reign ended in 13 seconds by KO.
The Weidman that fought Machida would give him problems.
Weidman's best performance IMO since Lyoto was a tougher style match up when compared to Anderson and Vitor.
 
Yes and jose aldo throws leg kick every now and then. Hes not the muay thai machine he used to be.

Horrible comparison.

Brunson has completed at least four takedowns in four of his last five wins. He's wrestling more than he has ever has as a top ten fighter.
 
Once he will face an elite wrestler he gonna look very average

He is a smart fighter who can avoid hard shot and he is a good counter fighter but recently he mostly faced reckless strikers (whittaker and costa) or bad wrestler (vettori)

He fucked up your leg with calf kick and go to decision by kicking and puching you from the outside, if you rush at him stupidly he counter you and finish you off, thats basicaly his strategy the whole fights

But against an elite wrestler who will ragdoll him he gonna struggle , his takedown defense didnt look too bad but far from elite + he his skinny and have long leg he might not be that hard to put down for someone a bit heavier than him

What i try to say is that Izzy puzzle might look hard to solve, it is, but not that much, just need to found a good wrestler and the job will be done

Jan showed the way more or less

Discuss
What?? Did you even try to do some research?
- Gastelum
- Romero
-Brunson

All elite wrestlers.
 
Horrible comparison.

Brunson has completed at least four takedowns in four of his last five wins. He's wrestling more than he has ever has as a top ten fighter.

We were talking about Yoel Romero. Thanks for coming out lol.
 
Gastelum is not that great a wrestler, he got handled by Weidman and even Magny.

TS has a point in that the current MW division is missing the sort of elite wrestler that would test what appears to be one of Izzy's weaknesses.

but you can literally say that about any champion. Aldo didn't challenge any great strikers until Conor, Conor himself dodged nearly all the grapplers at 145lbs and his weight class literally had a bunch of wrestlers he just avoided them.

that's part of what keeps them winning. they are in the right place at the right time. it's skill AND luck that make them great.
 
Remember wrestling is not mma, it's just a part of the game.

And It's not like good wrestlers can't get ktfo either by good strikers : weidman gaetje rockhold mendes etc...
 
No, but I heard it was pretty one sided. Just to be clear, I’m talking about winning a UFC belt, not being a generally good fighter or winning a smaller org belt. And I’m sure we will see more wrestlers win UFC championships in the future, but today at least it’s a far cry from not even that long ago when maybe half or more of the top guys in the world were wrestlers first and foremost.
I'm not talking about middleweight or Adesanya (who has fought good wrestlers clearly) explicitly but the UFC goes out of it's way in roster composition to favor strikers who will put on action packed (aka striking filled) fights. Case in point contender series which is where a lot of their fighters come from now a days.

Of course with 700 fighters there exist guys like that in the promotion, but by going out of your way not to sign "boring" fighters (aka top control wet blanket type guys) you shift the competitive balance in the promotion towards strikers. Like, just as an example do I think Yair Rodriguez is actually a top 5 featherweight worldwide? Absolutely not.
 
but you can literally say that about any champion. Aldo didn't challenge any great strikers until Conor, Conor himself dodged nearly all the grapplers at 145lbs and his weight class literally had a bunch of wrestlers he just avoided them.

that's part of what keeps them winning. they are in the right place at the right time. it's skill AND luck that make them great.

Conor fought the best wrestler at FW and the best wrestler at LW. Very bad example.

Aldo's reign was almost devoid of high level strikers and that's why I picked Conor to beat him.
 
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