A Saudi Morals Enforcer Called for a More Liberal Islam. Then the Death Threats Began.

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  1. Kafir-kun

    Kafir-kun not-so-grand mufti of Sherdog

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    Some funny parts from the article
    And here was an interesting section that sheds some light on the Saudi view of dissent.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/11/w...ia-islam-wahhabism-religious-police.html?_r=0

    It seems some Saudis aren't as backwards within their homes but they seems almost completely pacified as a people. Some of the members of the royal family are itching to open up the country more and Westernize but they're doing so at a snail's pace and their starting point is so draconian it seems like it'll take a century of reforms at this rate for them to get even close to the liberal democracies of the world.
     
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    oh, muslims killing muslims
    aka a win win
    sweet
     
  3. Kafir-kun

    Kafir-kun not-so-grand mufti of Sherdog

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    What are you talking about? He wasn't killed.
     
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    It's hardly surprising that Saudi religious laws have lumped in Arabian cultural practice not specifically mandated in Islam together with Islam.

    Another Arabian cultural practice that allegedly goes against Islam is racism which Saudis are huge proponents of ; Muslims love to point out that Muhammed said an Arab is not better than a non-Arab and that 1 of Muhammed's early companions (Bilal) was Black.
     
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    spin Gold Belt Platinum Member

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    Balls.



    If not brains.
     
  6. tehend

    tehend West Coast Distributor Of Pain

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    Yet..
     
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    That dude's going to get executed, no doubt about it.
     
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    Imagine being intelligent in a Muslim country and being surrounded by 99.9% religious zealot fucktards 24/7.
     
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  9. Kafir-kun

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    The number might be lower than that but as one of the quotes in the OP suggests a lot of Saudis seem to prioritize obedience over voicing your political/religious beliefs. I'm going to requote it because of how absurd it is
    This is the mindset of a people who on a short leash.
     
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    So SA is like one giant safe space; got it.
     
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    http://www.arabnews.com/featured/news/676086
    Apparently it happened in 2014. The comment section is really interesting, a lot of support for women uncovering their faces.

    I feel so bad for Saudi women. :(


     
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    That's also the mindset of the locals in the UAE. When I lived there, I never heard about any disenchantment nor was there any popular support for democracy or self-determination by the locals.

    The locals were quite pleased with how their Sheikhs were running the country and were opposed to democracy or protests / anything that would rock the boat. They believed their elders knew best .
     
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    The word chaos keeps coming up. Like it's something to he avoided at all costs. Silly buggers, a bit of chaos is good. It helps shake things up, and out. Blindly following tradition is the least productive thing I can think of.
     
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    Chaos is for animals; a civilized people will find a civilized way to change.
     
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    And yet here we are as a people; animals that have learned to control our urges. Well, some of us.

    Notice I said "a bit of chaos". I'm not an anarchist, and perhaps chaos isn't really the term to describe what I'm thinking, but the repeated reference to it struck me as odd.

    "Civilized people" shouldn't be used when speaking of the house of Saud.
     
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    Well, it a good thing the Saudi royals are running out of money (go figure). They'll lose their power eventually.
     
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    The Saudi royals aren't necessarily the problem. They actually tried to open up Saudi Arabia to becoming more Western-ized in the 70's, which only ended up with a bunch of psycho jihadists taking over the Grand Mosque in Mecca, demanding that the royals step down.

    So the royals essentially said "screw it, if religion is what you want, religion is what you'll get", and proceeded to turn back the clock to the Stone Age with the laws that were imposed. They're pragmatists, whose only intention is to stay in power. I doubt, in their personal lives, that they give a shit about Islam.
     
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    Hilary will defend them
     
  20. Kafir-kun

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    Ha, basically
    I remember a few years ago Jackie Chan said that the Chinese should not criticize China outside of China or in the presence of foreigners. I wonder if a similar sentiment exists in these countries; that is, that they might be hesitant to make their dissident feelings known to foreigners.
    I agree but let's also remember that these societies are not as durable as our own. The US can handle some mass protests and some unrest. The Gulf monarchies? I'm not sure they can with the sectarian tension bubbling underneath and Iran itching to stir the pot.
    The Wahhabi religious establishment is also very powerful and acts as a sort of check on the power of the royal family. Obviously the power is more so in the hands of the monarch and the royal family but there is some tensions between the two as evidenced by this episode from the article.
    But as I understand it the royal family can't just piss all over the religious establishment either. Dismissing one sheikh is one thing but collectively they have considerable influence and act as a conservative check on any aspiring reformist monarchs
     

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