A Question About Renan Bar

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  1. effedup

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    First off he looked amazing once again and agree he should be up on that p4p list. The question is if he defeats Dominick should his interim title defenses be included as a overall in title defenses or will he have to start from ground zero?
     
  2. Selukrid612

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    I don't see how they can rewrite history, they were interim title defenses.
     
  3. da best eva

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    Hell ya they count.
     
  4. Stwonnie

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    Technically they would be interim title defences.

    But imo they show he probably would have won the title sooner, and i would consider them legit.
     
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    theyre legit title defenses in my book. im sure everyone knows Dom cruz isnt coming back from this layoff to win
     
  6. Fight Professor

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    I thought the first round was extremely close with Wineland winning by a hair. But what a kick.
     
  7. GrindingANARCHY

    GrindingANARCHY Banned Banned

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    He's gonna win then move up to FW most likely. Doubt it will matter.
     
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    Honestly, I think he should be making championship money and be getting paid championship money. Barao will probably be heading to 145 at some point as well, especially when Aldo moves up to 155... Barao I think would be Aldo.

    As for whether they were interim defenses or actually title defenses, that is an interesting question, but ultimately doesn't matter... they SHOULD be promoting him as the champ, because if/when Cruz returns, Barao is going to beat the fuck out of him.
     
  9. Selukrid612

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    Yeah, it was shaping up to be a great fight. Wish we could have seen it go on a bit longer.
     
  10. ironfist05

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    while I'll always consider them title defenses in my book, they won't count as title defenses (IE: Melendez defended his belt a few times when he was the SF interim LW champ, but none are considered title defenses, since he was the IC and not the real champ)
     
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    if barao was an american that belt would have been made it official a long time ago. Those were legit awesome wins. Kid deserves it, he's a little beast.
     
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    Doesn't Arlovski's count?
     
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    Carwin is still listed as a UFC champ...
     
  14. effedup

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    This is what I want to know, sucks man dude has been holdin on that interim belt for a solid year. Don't think Cruz will win but man kinda shitty starting back from 0
     
  15. Bonged Kiwi

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    Whatever the "official" statistic, they'll be counted.

    Much like most people count WEC wins in Aldo and Cruz's reigns.

    I feel so sorry for Cruz at this point. He's in a real lose/lose situation.

    He either...

    Drops his title to take a few warm up fights after being out of action for so damn long (IMO, this is right course to take).

    Or...

    He has to come in off a long ass lay off and take on one of the very best fighters in the sport.

    That is a seriously rough deal for someone who's done nothing wrong... Unless of course, he comes back and beats Barao in his first fight back. Then it's an EPIC WIN and it'll launch him in to legend status (IMO).
     
  16. HIMBOB

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    They count as far as I am aware.

    And so they should.


    I think if he forfeits the belt now and comes back soon after I will consider it the cheapest play in MMA history and I am sure I wouldn't be alone.


    And you are right if he beats Barao on return it will be story book stuff because Id give him a roughly 3% chance of beating him on return. Too much ring rust, to much time lost training ie development, 2 years at your peak means Cruz will never be what he could have been and even if hadn't been injured I would favour Barao strongly.
     
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    I dont know if they count or not...
    But anyone with half a brain will know that those were pretty legit defenses.
    I am a huge bar
     
  18. UJustGotChaeld

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    Being they are interim "title" defenses, I would tack them on.
     
  19. effedup

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    Yeah that would be some true champion type shit if Cruz could pull out the upset after being held up for 2 years. His situation certainly sucks and I agree I too think it's a lose/lose for him but all he can do at this point is continue to train and look forward.
     
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    Interim or not , he did defend the title successfully and awesomely .
     

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