A Petition to End Boxing Robberies! Finally.

[TheMovement]

This was posted on multiple boxing forums and the website the Boxing Tribune has shared it on their Facebook as well. It will be sent to the Texas Commission once it has enough signatures and then certain groups will be constantly bothering the commissions with phone calls and emails until they take steps to stop robberies and punish judges. This has not been done before to this extent but thanks to forums and Facebook, people can connect and finally fight back. It will start with Texas apparently and then go to other states/countries.

Sign it and spread the word! Clean up the sport.

http://www.change.org/petitions/tex...orecards-that-are-poorly-scored-or-inaccurate

 

[KyleInAction]

So we sign a petition and robberies are gone, just like that?

Someone needs to circulate a petition to increase the value of the US dollar.

 

[Supreme Allah]

Finally! Change we can believe in!

 

[rj1]

So we sign a petition and robberies are gone, just like that?

Someone needs to circulate a petition to increase the value of the US dollar.

Repeated.

It's things like this where I understand that people think some stuff is wrong and they want to make it better and I agree, but I roll my eyes at people's idealism.

 

[TexasDrugAddict**]

What a joke.

 

[5acrossYOeye]

What a joke.

if you aren't running this thing i aint signing!

 

[prosa123]

As long as humans judge boxing there are going to be robberies. In theory the human element could be taken out of the process, by scoring rounds using a simple Compubox-style punch count, but that would almost certainly lead to even worse results.

The best that we can hope for is that athletic commissions and sanctioning bodies repair the damage after the robberies occur, by suspending judges and even declaring more NC's.

Lastly, I remember something A.J. Liebling wrote in The Sweet Science, namely, that what looks like a bad decision to people watching on TV or even from high in the stands may not have been so bad to those at ringside.

 

[BroncoMcKart]

Yes, I see this changing the landscape of professional combat sports.

 

[rj1]

As long as humans judge boxing there are going to be robberies. In theory the human element could be taken out of the process, by scoring rounds using a simple Compubox-style punch count, but that would almost certainly lead to even worse results.

That's essentially what the amateur boxing world org AIBA attempted to do and almost no one will tell you AIBA scoring is on the up and up.

 

[WAT IZ JUICE]

nobody cares about boxing anymore anyway

 

[TheMovement]

Im really dissapointed and surprised at the cold responses...this is the boxing discussion thread, I expected something a little more positive .

Robberies are not going to dissapear "just like that". The petition is part of the remedy, it is not everything of course. Boxing media are gaining interest in the fact that fans are finally getting fed up and starting a large scale petition. The Ring Magazine is being contacted as well and other forums are starting to get involved. There is a group on Facebook for it and boxing writers are getting involved in the cause.


Now obviously there will be close fights and debatable decisions, thats ok. This is dealing with outright travesties such as Whitaker-Chavez or Gale Van Hoy's scorecard for Malignaggi-Diaz. It really doesnt hurt to sign, even if you're skeptical it only takes a few seconds.

I'll gladly answer any questions. I understand Im new here and am not taken seriously but I'm just another person trying to help.

nobody cares about boxing anymore anyway

Right, thats why this is a section for boxing.

 

[Kliven1122]

nobody cares about boxing anymore anyway

If your trying the say it enough and it comes true tactic that Dana White perfected it probably won't work.

Boxing is to big worldwide. Bigger then MMA.

 

[ZroC]

If your trying the say it enough and it comes true tactic that Dana White perfected it probably won't work.

Boxing is to big worldwide. Bigger then MMA.

maminose no say santimose
maminse no says santimos
mamase no say sanimos
mame no say aninus
mma is gay los animous

see it came true!

 

[TheMovement]

I find it hilarious how jaded Boxing fans are. Loved the first few responses. But I agree that shit hometown/popularity contest/corrupt judging will always be a part of Bawksing.

I quite loved my post a bit more but theirs was interesting. And corruption should not be a part of boxing and if it is, then it at least needs to be decreased. No excuses.
If we can pinpoint the area (Texas in most cases) and clearly see the bad judges, then action should be taken.

 

[KyleInAction]

Robberies are not going to dissapear "just like that". The petition is part of the remedy, it is not everything of course. Boxing media are gaining interest in the fact that fans are finally getting fed up and starting a large scale petition. The Ring Magazine is being contacted as well and other forums are starting to get involved. There is a group on Facebook for it and boxing writers are getting involved in the cause.

Now obviously there will be close fights and debatable decisions, thats ok. This is dealing with outright travesties such as Whitaker-Chavez or Gale Van Hoy's scorecard for Malignaggi-Diaz. It really doesnt hurt to sign, even if you're skeptical it only takes a few seconds.

There are countless petitions on Change.org, and it wouldn't hurt to sign any of them. Doesn't mean I'm going to. For all I know, something like this could eventually lead to computerized scoring in the pro-ranks (however highly unlikely). No thank you, I won't have my name associated with any of those shenanigans. Until you have a more clear and defined plan, I can't see how anyone could logically support it, because we don't even know what it is. Right now it's just a piece of paper saying we're emotional. That doesn't do much good.

If you could explain the logistics of how you think you do this, I'm all ears. Right now all you're saying is "we're going to bug a bunch of people, and they'll figure it out for us."

 

[KyleInAction]

If we can pinpoint the area (Texas in most cases) and clearly see the bad judges, then action should be taken.

Who is "we", and what is the criteria for bad judging?

 

[rj1]

Robberies are not going to dissapear "just like that". The petition is part of the remedy.

By doing what? Showing that fans are upset that boxing is corrupt? Fans have known boxing is corrupt going back a century.

Boxing media are gaining interest in the fact that fans are finally getting fed up and starting a large scale petition.

If I had a nickel for every time someone started up an online petition that accomplished nothing, I might be a millionaire. It's the absolute most delusional piece of crap anyone can do acting as if "I'm doing something to make the world a better place" when it does nothing as the person's action consists of them doing nothing more than clicking their mouse on a computer. Wow, a lot of sacrifice you did to do that. You want to make boxing a better place and the commissions more honest? Become involved in their politics. Get involved in the sport. Become a judge or a referee. If you see corruption or find evidence of it, publish it. Stop buying tickets to shows or PPVs or watching the sport in jurisdictions you think are shady. Do something of actual substance, don't think that sitting in a chair clicking your f*cking mouse button does anything to make the world a better place.

 

[TexasDrugAddict**]

Im really dissapointed and surprised at the cold responses...this is the boxing discussion thread, I expected something a little more positive .

I'll gladly answer any questions. I understand Im new here and am not taken seriously but I'm just another person trying to help.

Your right and I shouldn't posted what I did. My Bad.

But I do have a few questions.

What is the goal of this Petition. Is it just to reform The Texas State Boxing Commission?

Does the Texas Boxing Commission need reform cause of Corruption or Incompetence.

If its Incompetence= would a some kind of Re-education of Judges,Refs and Officials be the best way solve the issues or would out-of-states officals need to be bought in.

If its Corruption= Would a federal investigation be needed to clean up the mess. Federal would be needed cases then States Licensed Officials would be involved and would need to be arrested for criminal acts. So would you want a hearing like the one they had for Steroids in Baseball. Or should boxing just be Banned in the Texas period?

What happens if the Petitions is successful and The Boxing Commission in Texas does get reform. Does it Helps or Hurt Boxing as a whole.

 

[Supreme Allah]

I think it would be a bit more plausible if fans emailed the athletic commissions directly after bad decisions. If more commissions follow New Jersey's lead (suspending the Williams-Lara judges/having them re-take judging classes) then maybe, just maybe we'd see a decrease in robberies. A little online petition won't do anything, though.

Edit: Although I do appreciate your concern. I just think that signing an online petition to end boxing's robberies really won't effect much in the long run.

 

[TexasDrugAddict**]

The issue I have with the petition is that is fixes nothing. It ask for change in ONE States when Boxing is a Global Sport. Boxing needs to have a Global Boxing Commission and that is Impossible. So calling out One State fixes nothing.

Ingemar Johansson once called for a World Boxing Commission amd had a good plan laid out for it.

"Boxing is in a bad state around the world. It needs a new international organization to control it to decide who are the champions and what contenders they should fight. This organization will be useless without the full support of the U.S. The purpose of this organization must be to restore public confidence in boxing, which has been badly hurt by scandals and to protect the fighters, who have been too often manipulated by powerful promoters and unscrupulous managers."

Draft Constitution For A World Professional Boxing - 01.04.60 - SI Vault

I. PREAMBLE

Recognizing that professional boxing has an international character and provides enjoyment for millions throughout the world; and

Considering that its international character requires that standards of integrity and fair competition be adopted and adhered to in all countries concerned;

There is hereby established a world professional boxing association (hereinafter referred to as the Association), to achieve the purposes and carry out the functions set forth below.

II. PURPOSES

The Association shall have the following purposes:

1) to foster and assist professional boxing as an international sport through mutual collaboration and maintenance of standards of integrity and fair competition;

2) to assure the selection of world champions in accordance with such standards and to seek to solve controversies and differences that may arise in this respect;

3) to assist in the elimination of restrictive practices and discriminatory treatment in professional boxing and to promote fair and open competition.

III. THE COUNCIL OF THE ASSOCIATION
1) The governing body of the Association shall be a Council composed of representatives of national boxing commissions (or their equivalent), each of which shall designate two members, provided that in the case of the United States the National Boxing Association shall appoint two members and the Boxing Commissions of California, Illinois and New York one each.

2) The Council shall designate by election an additional group of members not exceeding one-half of the total number of representatives referred to in paragraph 1. Such additional members shall be chosen from among individuals of high standing in their community who have demonstrated an interest in professional boxing. They shall be elected with due regard to the relative importance of professional boxing in their countries and without restriction as to nationality.

IV. THE FUNCTIONS OF THE COUNCIL

The Council shall carry out the following functions so as to achieve the purposes set forth in Article II above:

1) It shall after due consideration adopt principles and standards to govern professional boxing, with the objective of assuring fair and open competition for the championship and eliminating restrictive practices and tie-in arrangements;

2) It shall collect, analyze and make public information relating to the application of the principles and standards referred to above;

3) It shall receive and consider complaints submitted by any member or by its Executive Secretary regarding a breach of the principles and standards adopted by it and shall announce its decisions regarding such complaints;

4) It may recommend to national boxing commissions general or specific measures to be adopted for the conduct of professional boxing, and where appropriate, the participation of individuals in the management, promotion or exhibition of boxing matches.

V. PROCEDURE OF THE COUNCIL

1) The Council shall adopt its rules of procedure, including rules for the convening of sessions and for carrying out its functions between sessions;
2) Each member of the Council shall have one vote, and decisions shall be made by a majority of the votes cast;

3) The Council may establish such committees as are necessary for its functions, including committees to hear and report on complaints that principles and standards have been breached. Final decisions shall however only be made by the Council.

VI. EXECUTIVE SECRETARY

1) The Council shall appoint an Executive Secretary and fix his conditions of service, tenure and compensation;

2) The Executive Secretary shall appoint such assistants as he may require within the budgetary limits set by the Council and in conformity with such rules as the Council may adopt;

3) The Executive Secretary shall carry out tasks assigned to him by the Council, including such investigations and studies as the Council may authorize. He shall in general act as the chief administrative officer of the Association;

4) The Executive Secretary and his staff shall not seek or receive instructions in respect of the performance of their duties from any organization or individual outside of the Association. During their tenure, they shall have no professional activities in the field of boxing other than their duties for the Association.

VII. FINANCIAL PROVISIONS

1) The Council shall adopt an annual budget covering all expenses of the Association;

2) Each boxing commission which has designated representatives to the Council shall contribute annually a proportionate share of the expenses as determined by the Council. Such apportionment of expenses shall be made with due regard to the relative activity in professional boxing in the areas concerned;

2) Each member of the Council shall have one vote, and decisions shall be made by a majority of the votes cast;

3) The Council may establish such committees as are necessary for its functions, including committees to hear and report on complaints that principles and standards have been breached. Final decisions shall however only be made by the Council.

VI. EXECUTIVE SECRETARY

1) The Council shall appoint an Executive Secretary and fix his conditions of service, tenure and compensation;

2) The Executive Secretary shall appoint such assistants as he may require within the budgetary limits set by the Council and in conformity with such rules as the Council may adopt;

3) The Executive Secretary shall carry out tasks assigned to him by the Council, including such investigations and studies as the Council may authorize. He shall in general act as the chief administrative officer of the Association;

4) The Executive Secretary and his staff shall not seek or receive instructions in respect of the performance of their duties from any organization or individual outside of the Association. During their tenure, they shall have no professional activities in the field of boxing other than their duties for the Association.

VII. FINANCIAL PROVISIONS

1) The Council shall adopt an annual budget covering all expenses of the Association;

2) Each boxing commission which has designated representatives to the Council shall contribute annually a proportionate share of the expenses as determined by the Council. Such apportionment of expenses shall be made with due regard to the relative activity in professional boxing in the areas concerned;

3) Any boxing commission which is in arrears for two years or more in its contribution shall lose the right to vote and may be expelled by the Council from participation in the Association;

4) Voluntary contributions from organizations or individuals may be received by the Association in accordance with rules laid down by the Council.