A lot of you don't understand PEDs as well as you think

This guy is full of shit.

He just described the underlying premise of an 80's movie called "Invasion of the Body Snatchers"...





...or was it "Legend of the Murphysboro Mud Monster"?




either way, he's full of shit.
 
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Not sure if it holds water in the Jones situation, but I do know that Jon is mentally unstable to a certain degree, and has been since his college days. Dude gets super anxious before fights...like super anxious. I don't know if he would take stuff for it though.
 
So, you think it is more likely that Jones took Clomid and Letro to deal with depression than as part of a PED protocol?

Sounds rational.
 
I dont really buy the whole depression peice but he sort of went to jail multiple times, violated parole, made life hard for his wife and daughter, got stripped of his ufc championship and branded as a villian by the public.

He basically ruined his entire persona as an athlete.


Somehow I think the only thing he might be depressed about is that he got caught.
 
I know that using a drug on the banned list is illegal. And if you get caught for it you pay the price. What else matters?
 
Cool story bro. Doesn't change the fact that Jones took drugs that he either knew or should have known were on the prohibited list. That his manager and training partner were just involved in a tainted supplement case, so he should have known better than to take sketchy supplements if that is what happened. That if he did know what he was taking, that he didn't seek out a TUE for the pills. And that both drugs, especially when taken in combination with each other and/or with anabolic steroids will provide a competitive advantage to him over an athlete who wasn't taking them. And that taking someone else's prescription meds without knowing what they are, while subject to drug testing, is mind-numbingly dumb.
 
When Jon Jones got popped for what turned out to be Estrogen Blockers, many of you immediately screamed cheater. According to the steroid experts of Sherdog a person uses Estrogen Blockers for only 1 of 2 things: Cancer recovery or post-steroid therapy. Well, unsurprisingly this notion is wrong.

Ive tried to bite my tongue, but many of you have gone to far with painting Jon with a guilty brush.

Back in 2008 I had a serious bout of depression. It was likely brought on as a result of some problems I was having with my father and girlfriend. My father had a rare stamp collection which he seemingly lost interest in so I sold it and used the money to pay off a gambling debt. Several weeks later, my father called me and informed me that his stamp collection had been stolen. When I corrected him and told him what really happened, he swore to God he would cut my balls off and feed them to a group of stray cats who had made a home in my parents garage. I told my father I didn't give a fuck what he threatened to do because the guys I had the gambling debts with were promising to do much worse to me and they didn't have a bad back or walked with a cane or watched Fox News for 14 hours a day. When he hung up it would be 11 months before we spoke again.

As for my girlfriend, she got bitten by a tick and developed Lyme Disease as a result. She became very ill tempered which at times bordered on insanity. One night she left our apartment in a fit of rage after an argument and went missing for three days. After I filed a missing's person report on her the police found her laying on a bench at the local train station. When she came back she told me we had to split and she would be moving in with her parents. And she further gutted me when she finally admitted how our rent had gotten discounted the last few months: she was sleeping with the landlord and cooking him exquisite meals. Now that she was leaving, my rent would have to go back up because I certainly wasn't prepared to fuck the landlord and cook him meals.

So that's how it happened. I fell into a depression and it got progressively worse, day by day. I wasn't just living in darkness, I was becoming the darkness. And it was obvious to all those who knew me.

One day a longtime friend of mine offered me a bottle of pills. He said they would help me with the muddy feelings I was having. I took them without asking for specific details. I trusted in my friend and sure enough he was right. After about three weeks of the pills I was fucking shit up again. I felt rejuvenated and happy to be alive. I signed up for a salsa dance course, I volunteered at an animal shelter, I started lifting heavy and making natty gains, I fixed shit with my father and got him to admit his stamps were stupid and a childish endeavor, and I got back in touch with my girl and became friends.

One day my friend told me what the magic pills were. They were not vitamin D as he originally claimed. They were in fact Estrogen Blockers. He said he recommended them to me because they helped him beat a worse case of the iggly wigglys than I had. Now I'm no scientist, but the EBs made all the difference in the world for me. I didn't use them to mask steroid use, I used them to beat depression.

So my advice to you all is to learn about these substances better before you claim to be expert by declaring the complete range of possible reasons why people use certain substances. In Jon's case, he probably was using them for a similar reason as mine.

Simply masterful, brah.

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When Jon Jones got popped for what turned out to be Estrogen Blockers, many of you immediately screamed cheater. According to the steroid experts of Sherdog a person uses Estrogen Blockers for only 1 of 2 things: Cancer recovery or post-steroid therapy. Well, unsurprisingly this notion is wrong.

Ive tried to bite my tongue, but many of you have gone to far with painting Jon with a guilty brush.

Back in 2008 I had a serious bout of depression. It was likely brought on as a result of some problems I was having with my father and girlfriend. My father had a rare stamp collection which he seemingly lost interest in so I sold it and used the money to pay off a gambling debt. Several weeks later, my father called me and informed me that his stamp collection had been stolen. When I corrected him and told him what really happened, he swore to God he would cut my balls off and feed them to a group of stray cats who had made a home in my parents garage. I told my father I didn't give a fuck what he threatened to do because the guys I had the gambling debts with were promising to do much worse to me and they didn't have a bad back or walked with a cane or watched Fox News for 14 hours a day. When he hung up it would be 11 months before we spoke again.

As for my girlfriend, she got bitten by a tick and developed Lyme Disease as a result. She became very ill tempered which at times bordered on insanity. One night she left our apartment in a fit of rage after an argument and went missing for three days. After I filed a missing's person report on her the police found her laying on a bench at the local train station. When she came back she told me we had to split and she would be moving in with her parents. And she further gutted me when she finally admitted how our rent had gotten discounted the last few months: she was sleeping with the landlord and cooking him exquisite meals. Now that she was leaving, my rent would have to go back up because I certainly wasn't prepared to fuck the landlord and cook him meals.

So that's how it happened. I fell into a depression and it got progressively worse, day by day. I wasn't just living in darkness, I was becoming the darkness. And it was obvious to all those who knew me.

One day a longtime friend of mine offered me a bottle of pills. He said they would help me with the muddy feelings I was having. I took them without asking for specific details. I trusted in my friend and sure enough he was right. After about three weeks of the pills I was fucking shit up again. I felt rejuvenated and happy to be alive. I signed up for a salsa dance course, I volunteered at an animal shelter, I started lifting heavy and making natty gains, I fixed shit with my father and got him to admit his stamps were stupid and a childish endeavor, and I got back in touch with my girl and became friends.

One day my friend told me what the magic pills were. They were not vitamin D as he originally claimed. They were in fact Estrogen Blockers. He said he recommended them to me because they helped him beat a worse case of the iggly wigglys than I had. Now I'm no scientist, but the EBs made all the difference in the world for me. I didn't use them to mask steroid use, I used them to beat depression.

So my advice to you all is to learn about these substances better before you claim to be expert by declaring the complete range of possible reasons why people use certain substances. In Jon's case, he probably was using them for a similar reason as mine.
Terrible story. Sounds incredibly fake, but hope if it's true things get better for you.

Also, your ridiculous story has no bearing on an elite combat athlete testing positive for estrogen blockers. He is using steroids like all these motherfuckers.
 
You're a dick for selling your dad's stamp collection dude lol. And salsa dance classes? Whatever it takes to get through a rough patch. Glad things got better for ya.
 
Here's a pill ts, it will make you rich.

You totally wont pass out and wake up in a tub of ice.
 
I'm your landloard and the shit I made your girlfriend do, I cant even tell my priest
 
Either you come of a steroid cycle when you use anti estrogen like clomid or if you want to produce more Testosterone you use clomid .. If it helped you feel better it means your t levels were low and it helped you bring them back up and that's why you felt better
isn't clomid used by porn stars for bigger loads ,Peter Northian loads.
 
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Better than another Conor or Hunt hating thread..

Depression sucks, TS! Hope you're doing okay, but pro tip: don't steal and don't date whores.
 
Are you implying that Jon Jones' girlfriend was humping your land lord as well?
 
TS is quickly becoming my favorite troll. It's a beautiful thing when someone has the creativity to bullshit an entire story and make it seem at least somewhat plausible--enough so to cause doubt no less.

I appreciate you Macalpinerules.
 
I never leave your threads disappointed. Keep up the good work sir.
 
Plot twist: The landlord turns out to your father. That's why he could sit around watching Fox news for 14 hours a day.
 
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