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Social A Judge Asked Harvard to Find Out Why So Many Black People Were In Prison

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  1. SanchoMF Equally Useless

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    Just because people claim systematic racism exists doesn't make it true, you know. If it exists, it must be pointed out and assessed.
    I also haven't lived the same life as someone who grew up in a poor black community and my experiences are different. I've had to live in a very poor area and to see how different people there are and how differently they see things or act, it's hopeless really.
    My take away was that people in those surroundings need to have more positive and stable influence that'd be similar to non-poor populations like a job even a simple one or the benefit of a non-broken family and maybe even maybe a skillset that the person can be proud of and use to advance their career. If there's family, work and education (skills) then the person is immediately more independent, more daring in a social way and can make a better life for themselves.
     
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  2. djacobox372 Gold Belt

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    Correlation =/= Causation

    If the genetics of "blackness" is what causes criminality than why don't we see even higher crime rates in black immigrants from Africa? Heck, they commit crimes at a lower rate than whites do, even though genetically they're a lot more African than a descendant of a slave.

    Your whole theory on race is very anti-science. Melanin in skin has nothing to do with criminality. Also the so called "races" are so recently removed from each other that the sort of brain-difference you are suggesting is simply impossible biologically. Superficial differences like stature and skin color mutate and change a lot faster than brain chemistry.

    You should really educate yourself about biology, evolution and human migration, it may cure you of your racism.
     
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  5. kenetics Silver Belt

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    Ya, crazy how people think like that guy .. smh
     
  6. Ramon Antonio Black Belt

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    Stop putting words in my mouth. The fact is that blacks commit WAY more crime in the US. Another fact is that blacks in the US have higher testosterone, and that testosterone has been linked to aggressive behavior. I never said their high testosterone is because of being black. You try to twist my words into this, because you're looking for racism.

    Obviously there is a self-selecting bias for African immigrants. They're smarter, richer, and more successful than US blacks too. So why do people like you bring up systemic racism then as a reason for their failure if being black is the thing holding them back? Same holds true for the very successful Caribbean blacks.
     
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  7. Ramon Antonio Black Belt

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    Yeah because you can't read for shit. What do you disagree with?

    1. Blacks in the US commit more crime than white people (per capita).
    2. Blacks in the US have higher testosterone.
    3. Testosterone is linked to aggressive behavior.
     
  8. Brass Balls WME turning hardcores into casuals

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    Knowing the narrative of acadamedia, the research was probably skewed to get the findings they wanted.

    However it does make you think why have so many white rioters been allowed to walk by democrate DA's in the last 3 plus months?
    So there could very well be something to this study. It does fit with the left's pattern of projection when it comes to racism & racial injustices.
     
  9. SakurabasEar Khamzat Enthusiast

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    I believe it has more to do with the socioeconomic state in which lower middleclass/lower class blacks find themselves in paired with certain.. materialistic cultural priorities that end up in a skewed outlook of life from the teenage years on. I think these attributes would cause any group of people to have a higher crime rate.

    Im not saying across the board this is exactly the issue, but i know that i bring this up becuase i do actually care about it. Its not even really different for lower class whites ether, but the judge apprantly wanted to know just about blacks.
     
  10. scoopj ackson

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    Can people stop saying “systematic racism”? The claim is that “systemic racism” exists, not systematic, aside from isolated instances like the gerrymandering in N.C. a few years back.
     
  11. panamaican Senior Moderator Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Which country are you thinking about that didn't leave colonial power within the last 100 years?
     
  12. DespicablePeep Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

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    When I said thrive I means fitting in the community, contributing, generating good things, being a positive impact.

    Asian countries ARE thriving, they have exceeded exceptionally for the last decades, they are still poor but have come a long way and are an impressive market. Mean time African Americans do it just as bad as their ancestors in Africa, but in a much better environment.

    Without sacrifice the gap will be there, that's the mentality people need to understand, if families sacrifice themselves for the future of their families they will be better off in the future, that culture is lacking and harms them more than any laws from the 60s
     
  13. kenetics Silver Belt

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    Blacks have all that but whites don't? I mean they only invaded north America and other countries killing millions ... Not counting the killing today.


    Not sure if your serious lmao. They sure have alot of testosterone too .


    So ignorant to think a person race has anything to do with aggression lol.
     
  14. Kaliph of Kush Hashishiyan Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Starting in the 70s families of all races starting breaking down as single motherhood rose across the board. But even before that blacks did have more unstable families, probably not unrelated to the poverty that was foisted upon them through systemic policies. So while every race saw an increase in out of wedlock births, blacks had a higher starting point and thus remain more likely to have out of wedlock births today as they did decades ago.

    No one really knows why this happened. Obviously some people who disagree with welfare and want to cut it like to blame welfare but there are other relevant trends that date back to that period as well. We had a move from Keynesian economics under Reagan to more neoliberal deregulation, the rise of second wave feminism, increased access to contraception and abortion. Lots of things could've precipitated it.
     
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    You don’t account for previous criminal records and neither do the studies. No two criminals have the same criminal backgrounds. As someone who has studied and used criminal background checks for years, I can 100% tell you that the white vs black career criminals have very different criminal histories. There were almost always long and violent backgrounds for one group and the other was filled with mostly misdemeanors. My opinion is that the sentences for both groups were a joke and rarely commensurate with their crimes or history.

    I will say that when checking triple I’s(fbi record of everything a person has been charged with not just convictions) the people I usually did a check on were for the required charges-domestic, dui, shoplifting, serious crimes, and specifically, people from Cleveland.

    Why Cleveland? Because that is where most of our serious drug dealers come from. They flood smaller towns and cities for up to hundreds of miles away in a study of economics-buy low in big city and sell high in smaller areas. But in checking the histories of the Cleveland criminals(exclusively black) they have crazy long histories. Average was probably around 9-10 pages vs 1-4 pages for the rest of criminals. I was shocked to see people get so little time for malicious wounding with a firearm or armed robbery and get 13 months over and over again.

    What this has taught me is that you have a smaller number of offenders that reoffend over and over again. I think we should not have three strikes law as it stands, but when someone gets that third violent criminal felony, they go away for 25 years instead of life. But these are often the same people dealing drugs as well.

    As for the over policing aspect, police go where the crime is. Police don’t go out saying “let’s get a black guy” they answer calls on these subjects or patrol the areas with the highest violent crime. That is almost always the black communities by their own doing.
     
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    I disagree with some of that, as black marriage did survive everything else.

    One thing is that blacks tend to stick together and support each other. No matter what. I think when some got into stupid self destructive stuff in the late 60s, instead of being outcasts, they dragged many downloads with them. They took a positive trait and turned it around and now it is destructive
     
  17. kenetics Silver Belt

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    There was studies done with same crimes and same drug charges too and showed pretty much same data.
     
  18. The ScorpioN "GET OVER HERE!" Yellow Card

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    Where did you pull this out from? The central nervous system expresses 80% of our coding genome, meaning if there are differences (which there clearly are) there's an 80% change they'll affect the brain. In fact no one claims the color of skin is what constitutes race, that's just one of the many differences between people who have been geographically isolated for over 200k years (I can give you on others if you're actually curious).
    Let me educate you on evolution: it did not stop at the neck. Thank me later.
     
  19. Kaliph of Kush Hashishiyan Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    You can disagree but facts are facts
    https://www.brookings.edu/research/an-analysis-of-out-of-wedlock-births-in-the-united-states/

    So even in 1965 the rate of out of wed lock births among blacks was higher than of whites in 1990 by which time over half of black infants were born out of wed lock
     
  20. thehighking Black Belt

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    They've failed to take one important factor into consideration though. Sentences in a large number of convicts are going to vary. One race has to have longer sentences in statistics because obviously it would be unrealistic if sentences were exactly uniform, that would be an extremely unlikely statistical fluke. I'm not saying it's wrong. I think with the public perception of black gang culture, it will probably have an impact on some judge's decision on a sentence. But a study like this is not proof of anything.
     

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