A Fresh Look At Boxing vs UFC: The McGregor Example

[Franc Mittelo]

MMA experts love to use the Couture vs Toney example in their Boxing vs UFC arguments, but I think Conor McGregor's career in the UFC is a better example.

Let us say Hypothetical Conor McGregor was a two weight division professional boxing champ with the same confidence, personality and fan following as the current Conor McGregor.

Hypothetical Conor McGregor gets on his "Bruce Lee" shit and decides to challenge himself in the UFC. He gets with Irish Edmond, and organizes a meeting with Dana White, and Dana White thinks to himself, "if this kid can defend just one takedown, he will be the greatest thing in combat sport. So, Dana White decided to sign Hypothetical Conor McGregor boxing champ in 2 weight divisions.

So, Hypothetical Conor McGregor is given the same match-ups that Current Conor McGregor went through.
(1) Marcus Brimage (3-0). Hypothetical Conor wins.
(2) Max Holloway (3-2). Hypothetical Conor probably finishes him inside 2 rounds.
(3) Diego Brandao (4-2). Hypothetical Conor still wins.
(4) Dustin Poirier (8-2). If Michael Johnson ended him with one punch, and Eddie Alvarez had him ready to quit. Hypothetical Conor finishes with one punch, and not to the back of the head.
(5) Dennis Siver (11-6-1NC) without PEDs. Hypothetical Conor still beats him.
(6) Chad Mendes (8-2) steroids won't help if you have little training camp. After a couple of shots to the body, Hypothetical Conor KO's him (suspect chin) within the first.
(7) Jose Aldo (7-0). The fight ends the same way or shorter. Maybe 8 seconds this time.
(8) Nate Diaz (14-8). Nate is finished within 2 rounds. A two division Boxing champ isn't gassing punching a walking punching bag.
(9) Fight doesn't happen because Nate is now 14-9. No need for rematch.
(10) Eddie Alvarez (3-1) and yet he is "champ" LOL. He gets put to sleep with the first punch that hits him. None of that knocked down shit. Done within the first.

On paper, Two Weight Division Boxing Champ Conor McGregor "on his Bruce Lee shit" beats all the fighters the real Conor faced in the UFC, on paper, with subpar BJJ training from Irish Edmond.

When it comes to boxing's success in the UFC, it is not the art of boxing, it is the individual fighter and the match-making that will determine its success.

 

[froggyluv]

 

[elbowsandwiches]

plz no more McGregor threads, especially about boxing...and im a fan mind you

 

[Sonny Qc]

 

[sharkcat]

You're making the same mistake all the people who thought Conor would be Floyd made.

MMA boxing and traditional boxing are different. Different angles, different setups, different timing. They can translate to each other to a degree, but it's limited. Conor not training MMA for the past decade would result in him not being where he is today.

 

[Soul On Ice]

Conor got subbed by a 125lb nobody before he rounded out his game, he's been training in MMA for over a decade now.

He'd be taken down and lose in a heartbeat to everyone you listed under your hypothetical circumstances, especially with the aura of being a pure boxer.

 

[vigneshm1995]

"hypothetical Conor" thinks this thread is stupid af.

 

[Franc Mittelo]

At which part did you get confused, I can clarify things for you, if you are smart enough to follow.

 

[CPH]

LOL that was fun

 

[Franc Mittelo]

Conor got subbed by a 125lb nobody before he rounded out his game, he's been training in MMA for over a decade now.

He'd be taken down and lose in a heartbeat to everyone you listed under your hypothetical circumstances, especially with the aura of being a pure boxer.

First, you are talking about Conor when he was starting out, and I am talking about Conor at the point he developed Super Human Confidence and got on his "Bruce Lee shit."

A young boxer who has accomplished anything in boxing, will be easier to beat in the Octagon than a two division boxing champ who believes he can compete in the UFC, and all he needs to do is prepare.

Second, a pure any martial artists will not have a lot of success in the UFC. So, this not what I am talking about, and nowhere did I mention the "aura of being a pure boxer."

I am talking about a two division boxing champ, who decides to get on his "Bruce Lee Shit" and challenge the UFC. He prepares himself for an MMA fight, and he is given the same exact opponents Conor was given.

I think he KO's all of them.

Watch the Marcus Brimage fight. Hypothetical Conor KO's Brimage within 2 minutes.

 

[sonofjay817]

First, you are talking about Conor when he was starting out, and I am talking about Conor at the point he developed Super Human Confidence and got on his "Bruce Lee shit."

A young boxer who has accomplished anything in boxing, will be easier to beat in the Octagon than a two division boxing champ who believes he can compete in the UFC, and all he needs to do is prepare.

Second, a pure any martial artists will not have a lot of success in the UFC. So, this not what I am talking about, and nowhere did I mention the "aura of being a pure boxer."

I am talking about a two division boxing champ, who decides to get on his "Bruce Lee Shit" and challenge the UFC. He prepares himself for an MMA fight, and he is given the same exact opponents Conor was given.

I think he KO's all of them.

Watch the Marcus Brimage fight. Hypothetical Conor KO's Brimage within 2 minutes.

But you're not really answering any of the pertinent questions. You're just typing words. Gets on his "Bruce Lee Shit". What is that anyway? "Prepares himself for an MMA fight". Well sure, but what qualifies as preparation to fight at the top of the game in MMA? It might take six months in your mind or it might be ten years with the best coaches the game as to offer. So far, you've really not explained your position.

 

[Santonja]

"Mr. Sherdogger Frank Mittelo, what you just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent thread, were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this forum is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no like, and may the MMA Gods have mercy on your soul."

 

[bobgeese]

MMA experts love to use the Couture vs Toney example in their Boxing vs UFC arguments, but I think Conor McGregor's career in the UFC is a better example.

Let us say Hypothetical Conor McGregor was a two weight division professional boxing champ with the same confidence, personality and fan following as the current Conor McGregor.

Hypothetical Conor McGregor gets on his "Bruce Lee" shit and decides to challenge himself in the UFC. He gets with Irish Edmond, and organizes a meeting with Dana White, and Dana White thinks to himself, "if this kid can defend just one takedown, he will be the greatest thing in combat sport. So, Dana White decided to sign Hypothetical Conor McGregor boxing champ in 2 weight divisions.

So, Hypothetical Conor McGregor is given the same match-ups that Current Conor McGregor went through.
(1) Marcus Brimage (3-0). Hypothetical Conor wins.
(2) Max Holloway (3-2). Hypothetical Conor probably finishes him inside 2 rounds.
(3) Diego Brandao (4-2). Hypothetical Conor still wins.
(4) Dustin Poirier (8-2). If Michael Johnson ended him with one punch, and Eddie Alvarez had him ready to quit. Hypothetical Conor finishes with one punch, and not to the back of the head.
(5) Dennis Siver (11-6-1NC) without PEDs. Hypothetical Conor still beats him.
(6) Chad Mendes (8-2) steroids won't help if you have little training camp. After a couple of shots to the body, Hypothetical Conor KO's him (suspect chin) within the first.
(7) Jose Aldo (7-0). The fight ends the same way or shorter. Maybe 8 seconds this time.
(8) Nate Diaz (14-8). Nate is finished within 2 rounds. A two division Boxing champ isn't gassing punching a walking punching bag.
(9) Fight doesn't happen because Nate is now 14-9. No need for rematch.
(10) Eddie Alvarez (3-1) and yet he is "champ" LOL. He gets put to sleep with the first punch that hits him. None of that knocked down shit. Done within the first.

On paper, Two Weight Division Boxing Champ Conor McGregor "on his Bruce Lee shit" beats all the fighters the real Conor faced in the UFC, on paper, with subpar BJJ training from Irish Edmond.

When it comes to boxing's success in the UFC, it is not the art of boxing, it is the individual fighter and the match-making that will determine its success.

Hypothetically, your thread sucks and you should feel bad about it.

 

[quantiqus]

MMA experts love to use the Couture vs Toney example in their Boxing vs UFC arguments, but I think Conor McGregor's career in the UFC is a better example.

Let us say Hypothetical Conor McGregor was a two weight division professional boxing champ with the same confidence, personality and fan following as the current Conor McGregor.

Hypothetical Conor McGregor gets on his "Bruce Lee" shit and decides to challenge himself in the UFC. He gets with Irish Edmond, and organizes a meeting with Dana White, and Dana White thinks to himself, "if this kid can defend just one takedown, he will be the greatest thing in combat sport. So, Dana White decided to sign Hypothetical Conor McGregor boxing champ in 2 weight divisions.

So, Hypothetical Conor McGregor is given the same match-ups that Current Conor McGregor went through.
(1) Marcus Brimage (3-0). Hypothetical Conor wins.
(2) Max Holloway (3-2). Hypothetical Conor probably finishes him inside 2 rounds.
(3) Diego Brandao (4-2). Hypothetical Conor still wins.
(4) Dustin Poirier (8-2). If Michael Johnson ended him with one punch, and Eddie Alvarez had him ready to quit. Hypothetical Conor finishes with one punch, and not to the back of the head.
(5) Dennis Siver (11-6-1NC) without PEDs. Hypothetical Conor still beats him.
(6) Chad Mendes (8-2) steroids won't help if you have little training camp. After a couple of shots to the body, Hypothetical Conor KO's him (suspect chin) within the first.
(7) Jose Aldo (7-0). The fight ends the same way or shorter. Maybe 8 seconds this time.
(8) Nate Diaz (14-8). Nate is finished within 2 rounds. A two division Boxing champ isn't gassing punching a walking punching bag.
(9) Fight doesn't happen because Nate is now 14-9. No need for rematch.
(10) Eddie Alvarez (3-1) and yet he is "champ" LOL. He gets put to sleep with the first punch that hits him. None of that knocked down shit. Done within the first.

On paper, Two Weight Division Boxing Champ Conor McGregor "on his Bruce Lee shit" beats all the fighters the real Conor faced in the UFC, on paper, with subpar BJJ training from Irish Edmond.

When it comes to boxing's success in the UFC, it is not the art of boxing, it is the individual fighter and the match-making that will determine its success.

Kids, this is a very good example of why you should not do drugs, mkay?
Drugs are bad, they are very, very bad, mkay?!
They make you write stupid things, mkay?
Because drugs are bad, mkay?

 

[NotSoSure]

You're stoned.

 

[MikeMcMann]

Without a doubt MMA fans are way too sensitive and in denial as to the potential successes high level, prime boxers would have crossing over to MMA if large numbers of them could be convinced to cross.

They believe TDD and grappling defense takes decades to develop when that simply is not true for all.

if you are high level or elite in aspects such defensive movements, angles, balance, reflexes, timing, counter striking, etc, those things can greatly shorten the learning curve on how to defend yourself in MMA.

We have only had a handful of elite strikers cross over to MMA as opposed to hundreds if not thousands of grapplers and yet we still see with such small numbers so many strikers cross train and break through to very high levels in MMA. Guys like Mo Smith, Bas, CroCop, etc. Even brawlers like Brett Rogers and to a lesser degree Houston Alexander, etc have shown they can do a ton of damage to more traditional MMA fighters just by learning rudimentary TDD.

The most important thing for any, ANY athletic endeavour are the athletic components of the person (strength, speed, balance, reflexes, toughness, etc) in reaching the top levels. Then secondary are those components applied specifically to a sport (training).

But no one should doubt that if similar numbers of prime top boxers came into MMA and joined top camps and cross trained that they would not wreck shit at the top levels of this sport as they would be amongst the most athletic guys within MMA.