A broader perspective - the one thing that was most truly exposed as overrated

[BigMuffler]

I hesitated to make this thread because I made a very similar one a few days before the last event involving different fighters, but I can't resist.

Holly is still a very good fighter, she's probably top 3 in the division even though I'm not sure about favoring her over Cat, but I'd think favor her over pretty much everyone else besides Miesha and she might still beat Ronda in a rematch although Ronda might be better overall.

Conor is still a very good fighter as well, it's harder to say where he would rank at LW since there are a lot of taller fighters he could possibly struggle with, but his striking is legit and he should be given credit for his run at FW. It's possible he could be a top LW in the future too.

The things that were truly exposed as overrated were the traits of speed and perceived 'athleticism'. Not that speed isn't an advantage, it is but many are overly quick to jump on the hype trains of speedy fighters (usually strikers since it's easier to demonstrate a speed advantage standing) and proclaim them near unbeatable gods as well as weighing speed too heavily in their judgment of the fighter's 'athleticism' when that actually consists of many physical attributes. Other examples -

Machida before quickly being derailed by Shogun
TJ Dillashaw who many ranked as top P4P after beating only ONE top fighter
Rose Namajunas being declared new Ronda Rousey before being schooled by Esparza
Pettis being hyped as near unbeatable by some
Joanna Champion being declared near unbeatable after only one title defense against Penne
what's starting to happen with Wonderboy now...
other 'fast' fighters whose trains were blown off the tracks even faster like Erick Silva and Thatch...

It seems like much of the fanbase is easily enthralled by a speedy or speed-based destruction of a good opponent(s) which may not be replicable against other opponents. Even Anderson whose run using his speed-reliant style actually stood the test of time couldn't repeat his Forrest performance against another 'slow' opponent in Weidman. Why is Gus considered that much better by most than Glover exactly? Gus did better against Jones yes, but that's the only piece of evidence considering Glover has never fought DC and Glover actually has better wins. Oh right Glover is too 'slow' to be an elite LHW... seems more and more like poor logic. Speed is not the main thing that separates merely 'good' fighters from great ones as some seemed to think.

Slow fighters rule (or at least shouldn't be considered second class citizens compared to fast fighters). RESPECT SLOWNESS.

 

[fluffball]

I just posted this in another thread, and then saw yours.

The CM fans are the victim of his finishing speed. KOing someone right away doesn't tell you anything about how good a fighter is when he gets into an actual fight.

You see this time and time and time and time and time again. Someone comes into the UFC, KOs people, every ones sucks their dick, person turns out to not be as good as everyone though. Everyone is "the next Anderson Silva".

 

[NatoHoro]

 

[BigMuffler]

I just posted this in another thread, and then saw yours.

Speed P4P most overrated attribute XD

 

[IndyCovaHart]

That's a little too broad. Damn.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

I just posted this in another thread, and then saw yours.

Swear to FSM, I thought you meant CM Punk, and I was like, "finishing speed? Wtf?"

I'm a big dummy

 

[The lord of bones]

Tate isn't excellent at anything she's just a good well-rounded fighter, Holm is elite in her striking and has pretty good takedown defense considering she stuffed 7 of 9 takedowns, she can work on her back defense and beat both Miesha and Ronda.

 

[BigMuffler]

Swear to FSM, I thought you meant CM Punk, and I was like, "finishing speed? Wtf?"

I'm a big dummy

For a moment I thought this too since you rarely see Conor referred to as CM.

 

[The Bard]

Defense, in general, is underrated. Before the Diaz fight, my big question was "How is Conor going to beat him?" He's not going to submit him, and he's going to have a hell of a time taking a decision against a cardio animal, and he's going to have a hell of a time knocking out a guy whose never been knocked out before. That's why I posted on here that it would be a much closer fight than a lot of people were expecting.

Diaz won because he has a chin and his defensive game was perfect against Conor (e.g. Conor couldn't outwrestle him).

Meisha won, by and large, by being durable as well.

Robbie's best skills aside from his power are his boxing defense / hand game and his chin and durability. As a matter of fact, pretty much all the champs have shown they are durable as hell. DC wouldn't be champ if he couldn't have eaten Rumble's power. Werdum took some shots from Hunt. Robbie avoided being hit clean by Hendricks until Hendricks was gassed and famously recovered from trouble from Condit and Rory Mac.

Just like the Broncos reminded us about football, offense wins fans, but defense wins championships.

 

[Bend NvR Break]

I hesitated to make this thread because I made a very similar one a few days before the last event involving different fighters, but I can't resist.

Holly is still a very good fighter, she's probably top 3 in the division even though I'm not sure about favoring her over Cat, but I'd think favor her over pretty much everyone else besides Miesha and she might still beat Ronda in a rematch although Ronda might be better overall.

Conor is still a very good fighter as well, it's harder to say where he would rank at LW since there are a lot of taller fighters he could possibly struggle with, but his striking is legit and he should be given credit for his run at FW. It's possible he could be a top LW in the future too.

The things that were truly exposed as overrated were the traits of speed and perceived 'athleticism'. Not that speed isn't an advantage, it is but many are overly quick to jump on the hype trains of speedy fighters (usually strikers since it's easier to demonstrate a speed advantage standing) and proclaim them near unbeatable gods as well as weighing speed too heavily in their judgment of the fighter's 'athleticism' when that actually consists of many physical attributes. Other examples -

Machida before quickly being derailed by Shogun
TJ Dillashaw who many ranked as top P4P after beating only ONE top fighter
Rose Namajunas being declared new Ronda Rousey before being schooled by Esparza
Pettis being hyped as near unbeatable by some
Joanna Champion being declared near unbeatable after only one title defense against Penne
what's starting to happen with Wonderboy now...
other 'fast' fighters whose trains were blown off the tracks even faster like Erick Silva and Thatch...

It seems like much of the fanbase is easily enthralled by a speedy or speed-based destruction of a good opponent(s) which may not be replicable against other opponents. Even Anderson whose run using his speed-reliant style actually stood the test of time couldn't repeat his Forrest performance against another 'slow' opponent in Weidman. Why is Gus considered that much better by most than Glover exactly? Gus did better against Jones yes, but that's the only piece of evidence considering Glover has never fought DC and Glover actually has better wins. Oh right Glover is too 'slow' to be an elite LHW... seems more and more like poor logic. Speed is not the main thing that separates merely 'good' fighters from great ones as some seemed to think.

Slow fighters rule (or at least shouldn't be considered second class citizens compared to fast fighters). RESPECT SLOWNESS.

This is fighting not a ball sport or track and field. Speed, strength, agility are all nice things to have (and definitely don't hurt to gain) but they are clearly not the only attributes to have. Technique, cardio, and heart are more important. And when I mean technique I mean adapting ones fighting style to suit oneself. To maximize your strengths and negate your weakness as much as possible.

 

[Black Mamba]

Holm needs to work on her grappling/jiu jitsu. Everything else in the fight was fine. I would've liked to see her throw more leg and body kicks and dirty boxing with Tate. I think if there's a rematch Holm takes it.