A+ Athletes making better fighters is a myth

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  1. bigconan

    bigconan Silver Belt

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    That's all I ever hear on this site...about how A+ athletes, football and basketball players would make the best fighters...I say that's all bullshit...always has been...some of the greatest fighters in history, were not great athletes...rocky marciano, wasn't athletic...he was fairly short, had a short reach...most likely couldn't run all that fast, dunk a baskball or play football all that great...so what does that mean...Absolutely nothing...the guy still had incredible cardio, hit like a tank and had supreme heart...Being able to run fast with a leather football or being able to dunk a rubber ball in a hoop, means nothing when it comes to fighting...sports are very specific...especially fighting...

    This latest football player turned mma fighter only proves this point...the guy was gassed after one round...all by a fat dude, not half as "athletic" as himself...but when it comes to fighting, running fast or whatever means nothing in a fight....you think roberto duran was a great athlete? no, but could he fight? you bet he could...
     
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    MMA is filled with people who couldn’t compete in the initial sport they did. Deal with it.
     
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    Hardy knocked the other guy out so bad that the ref DQ’d him.

    Imagine if there was no ref. Hardy wins via murder.
     
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    Do I think Roberto Duran was a great athlete?


    Yes I do
     
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    Jones is an A-level as is Khabib and GSP.
     
  6. Horse Style

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    TS, you're taking the Heavies way too seriously
     
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    This is 100% not true. Being an A+ athlete doesnt mean you can take a punch and not crumble or have the heart to fight etc.
     
  8. GrayArea

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    Hardy would dominate a rematch. Crowder was desperately looking for a way to change the tide of the fight which is why he started taunting.

    Hardy was too disciplined to brawl and continued outstriking him from a kickboxing range until stuffing Crowder’s panic takedown.
     
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    I don't think there has ever been what is truly considered an A-level athlete in MMA. Who?
     
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    Guys who can take a punch exist in equal numbers in the A-F range.
    MMA does not have a large representation from A level athletes.
     
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    I'm going to rely on this heavily researched and accurate scientific chart.
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    Apparently not disciplined enough to not throw illegal strikes
     
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    Well other sports aswell. You think Football or Basketball is filld with A+ athletes? No its not. People do what theyre good at and get paid for it when it comes to sports. Being an A level athete good at Football doesnt mean you could be the same in MMA. Thats what nerd on here think, its preposterous.
     
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    Of course it doesn't. And being a bigger, stronger person doesn't mean you'll win a fight either. Ask Emmanuel Yarborough.

    But MMA proves that when skills become relatively close, size matters a lot and is often the definitive factor in a fight. See Mousasi vs MacDonald. Same is true of athleticism. Top tier athletes still need skills, but as the skill gap narrows, athleticism becomes key. An elite athlete is not better than a unathletic, skilled fighter. But a skilled athletic fighter will murder an unathletic, skilled fighter. Obviously people claiming LeBron would be champs in six months are trolling. It would take half a decade or so to acquire the requisite skills. But there's not much reason to doubt that a guy with LeBron's athleticism would dominate if he committed to MMA for several years.

    There's nothing hard to understand about this, and it's true in any sport.
     
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    All else being equal, athletic ability is a plus and obviously the more the better. Just like in any other sport.

    It's not that hard to understand. No one (who is serious) claims being an "A+ athlete" in and of itself is enough to be successful at the highest levels of MMA.

    If you took an A+ athlete and a C-level athlete at age 13, and trained them in the exact same way, same sports, same methods, same everything...at age 25 the A+ athlete would likely be meaningfully ahead of the average athlete.

    Every sport has skills components that are required to be effective in the sport. Athletic ability acts like a multiplier effect to those skills/abilities...but if you don't have them in the first place you are just multiplying by 0 (or a small number) and not getting anywhere.
     
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    If we put all the fighting intangibles (heart, chin, killer mentality) Marciano had and put them into a bigger, faster and stronger athlete that guy would run thru him. As simple as that. Freak of nature athletes are extremely rare and the chance they also have a fighting champion mentality and them training a fighting sport are ever more slim. Fighting isn't really about the greatest athlete, but it helps tons if you already got what it takes.

    Brock Lesnar is a good example, while he had a background in wrestling he never fought before, but his stupid like athleticism had him throwin veterans and champions around the octagon. This dude curled up when taking punches and didn't even spar and he still made short work of champion level fighters like Mir and Couture who had tons more experience, just thru size and strenght. That is incredible.
     
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    It’s a very american mindset.
     
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    You could be an A plus athlete and not that good or an A+ talent but an athlete like Bj Penn of today and not very good so I dont know what your point is
     

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