A-10, Then A-11 And A-12? Air Force Ponders CAS Future

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  1. GhostZ06

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    http://breakingdefense.com/2016/07/a-10-then-a-11-and-a-12-air-force-ponders-cas-future/
     
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    OA-X would have been perfect for Iraq and Afghanistan post invasion. Missed the boat on that one.

    Also I don't know if the F-35 can do what the A-10 has done. GAU-12 and GAU-8 were built with different roles in mind and can the F-35 haul as much boom boom as the A-10?

    The A-10 and F-15 even today are battle winners, mind blowing how advanced they were in the 70s when they first hit the skies. US was strapped for the cold war no doubt.
     
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    I don't think A-10 was ever an "advanced" plane like the F-15 and F-16 in the 1970's. It was, however, a well designed plane that proved its worth time and time again. A weapon doesn't have to be cutting edge to be good.
     
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    I know the molds or whatever you want to call them for the A10's are gone, but why can't they give one to Boeing or Lockheed and say build more of these but upgraded.
    [​IMG]
     
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    You couldn't make that shit up.

    "Lets start with a gun, say a 30mm autocannon, then lets give it wings and shit"

    For real though I think the DoD could get behind an A-10 airframe with F-35 targeting software and hardware. Maybe throw in some stealth panels as well, the A-10 doesn't have the biggest radar cross section, make it a bit more survivable.
     
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    A consumer $600 3d scanner is accurate to .01 inches, I'm sure they'res an industrial one way more accurate than that. Give NASA a call, that sounds right up their alley.
    Map the frame and hull with one of those then upgrade the guts.
     
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    They should put the Comanche into production and make it into a CAS platform too. Not the same as a fixed wing aircraft for speed but it would have other advantages.
     
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    yeah but Commche helo isnt really a "cas" so to speak, its a reconnaissance/ light attack. So it was gonna replace the AH-1, OH-6, and OH-58. it works with the AH-64 Apache.

    [​IMG]

    ^ this is rumored next gen attack helo

    By the looks of it they'll make a A-10 mark 2



    http://www.defensetech.org/2011/10/11/sikorskys-next-gen-helos/
     
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    Jerry, make that gun fly........... and then build a TANK around it.

    It is a massive gun that flies, but has the armor of a tank. I love it so much. It has given so many snackbars there last brrrrrrrrrrrrrrtttttttttttttttt day
     
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    http://www.defensenews.com/story/de...rce-secretary-budget-a10-warthog-ax/87578930/
     
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    I've talked with people who maintained and flew the A-10. The pilots say the plane does everything it needs to do. Combat in the last 30 years has very little to do with air to air combat. Planes dedicated to that role establish air superiority rather quickly.

    The A-10 performs the close air support role in a way that is very efficient and safe for the troops on the ground and the pilot. It has proven to be able to sustain damage and return to base. Helicopters provide a slower moving platform that could make target selection easier but it puts the aircraft and pilot at greater risk from ground fire.

    The F-35, if it ever makes it into service, isn't likely to be able to go as low as slow and linger like the A-10. It will have to rely on either smaller guns or missiles.

    As one pilot said, we already have a tool that does the job, why try to build a tool that does multiple jobs but costs considerably more? They can re-tool and build replacement parts for a fleet of A-10s for less than the cost of one F-35.

    Use technology to build air superiority planes.
     

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