911 tapes: Aborted fetus was breathing

[Lord of Lies]

I don't even know what to comment about this, other than it's fucked up.

http://www.12news.com/news/local/valley/911-tapes-aborted-fetus-was-breathing/208414143

 

[WrestlinganJudo]

"There was a termination that was performed" the worker said "There is a fetus that is breathing right now so we need someone to do services."

This is really disturbing.

 

[in the]

This is sick.

 

[JonesBones]

Why call 911? lol. They are trying to kill the thing. It is like a murderer trying to kill somebody, fails, and calls 911 to ask what to do. Kill it. That's your job.

 

[JDragon]

Why call 911? lol. They are trying to kill the thing. It is like a murderer trying to kill somebody, fails, and calls 911 to ask what to do. Kill it. That's your job.

They are doing it on the premise that it cannot live outside the body once it has been performed. If it does...well then it has been born and magically transforms into a baby. Killing it would also legally be murder.

 

[JDragon]

This sort of shit troubles me because it makes me question my assumptions. Yes this shit is likely incredibly rare. But I am against the death penalty also because I think it is better to err on the side of caution.

 

[in the]

This sort of shit troubles me because it makes me question my assumptions. Yes this shit is likely incredibly rare. But I am against the death penalty also because I think it is better to err on the side of caution.

If you haven't heard about it, check out what Dr. Kermit Gosnell was doing.

 

[TheComebackKid]

Don't worry guys. Ive been assured countless times that fetuses aren't real babies. Nothing to see here.

 

[JDragon]

If you haven't heard about it, check out what Dr. Kermit Gosnell was doing.

Interesting. I also learned that Pennsylvania has a 24 week limit, which in itself is gross. That is around the time my wife is now and the fetus is already like 25 cm. I prefer the German 12/14 week limit in that regard...

 

[PrinceOfPain]

...And just like that, I slide a little further right on the issue.

 

[JonesBones]

Interesting. I also learned that Pennsylvania has a 24 week limit, which in itself is gross. That is around the time my wife is now and the fetus is already like 25 cm. I prefer the German 12/14 week limit in that regard...

Pretty strange that the US has limits double Germany.

They are doing it on the premise that it cannot live outside the body once it has been performed. If it does...well then it has been born and magically transforms into a baby. Killing it would also legally be murder.

I know. It just shows how bankrupt a position is. A baby is worthy of life based on its location. It kinda comes down to a property rights argument. If it is in my house, I can kill it. If it isn't, I can't. Either killing the thing is wrong or not. It is actually a really right wing logic. Like people who didn't want to serve blacks because it is their property or shoot people for stepping on their property. It is petty tyranny. Petty as in the people who do it are petty, the action itself is serious. They are petty tyrants as in small people.

 

[DevilsLettuce]

In b4 Rip. Seek Christ now fellas, before its too late.

 

[in the]

Interesting. I also learned that Pennsylvania has a 24 week limit, which in itself is gross. That is around the time my wife is now and the fetus is already like 25 cm. I prefer the German 12/14 week limit in that regard...

Yeah, that dude would perform "abortions" and there was one story of an assistant actually playing with the baby/fetus before the doctor took scissors and snapped its spinal cord.There was a thread in the War Room about it but I guess it got deleted when they went to new servers.

I think there should be greater restrictions on abortion. I remember hearing probably over a decade ago that the US has some of the most liberal abortion laws on the books and that even Germany was more restrictive.

On a personal level, once a fetus gets close to the point of viability, the whole "choice" argument ends in my personal opinion. If a fetus can live outside the womb, that's as solid a starting point for human life as possible.

 

[JDragon]

In b4 Rip. Seek Christ now fellas, before its too late.

Abortion is not a black and white issue to me. It should not be IMO. There are many ugly shades of dark grey. But putting it as a matter of 'the bible!1!!' vs 'her body!!1!' only leads to polarization and outcomes that nobody can really want. Total abortion bans have side effects. Lax regulations like here have side effects, too.

I am aware that Christians will always argue against abortion. But having the option for legal abortion under rather strict conditions has virtually eliminated abortion as a topic of policy debate over here. The time limit virtually ensures something like here does not happen.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Guys, guys, guys... chill.

An abortion is like installing a computer program, and hitting 'Cancel' at some point.

And a partial-birth abortion, is when the program is 99% installed, and hitting 'Cancel.'

Simple as that. Nothing to see here. Stop buying the right-wing propaganda that'll have you believing otherwise.
You're not a religious bigot, are you? Christians, Mormons, and even Muslims are anti-abortion.
When 'life' begins is open to interpretation, and everyone has a different interpretation. Mine is just as valid as yours.
Maybe this woman couldn't afford to support a child, or the time, or she was busy, or the kid would have been an inconvenience.
This doesn't mean you want to cut funding for Planned Parenthood, right? Because if you think that was a baby, then you must be for cutting funding for Planned Parenthood. Some people need their parenthood to be planned, and the fetus must be aborted the very moment the mother makes the decision. Wait, did I say mother? Nevermind, that implies there's a baby. No baby here.
This is a woman's rights issue! You're not a sexist, are you? Do you want all women to be in the kitchen, barefoot, and pregnant? You're sick! You're against a woman's right to choose what to do with HER body!

 

[in the]

...And just like that, I slide a little further right on the issue.

You missed out on the Dr. Kermit thread. I wish I could find it. Some people were arguing that he didn't do anything illegal/immoral, until they found out the babies had been killed after failed abortions they had survived. Then, the argument was merely down to location - if these babies had been in the womb, it would have been considered abortion, but since they were not (even though they were meant to be aborted), it was considered murder. In other words, the only difference between abortion and murder was the location of the baby, which I think is a bullshit argument.

 

[Rex Kwon Do]

This is why you really have to question the sanity--if not the morality--of the rabidly pro-"choice" crowd. They have worked really hard to paint people that are pro-life as anti-women, instead of anti-murder.

Sick fucks.

 

[JDragon]

Yeah, that dude would perform "abortions" and there was one story of an assistant actually playing with the baby/fetus before the doctor took scissors and snapped its spinal cord.There was a thread in the War Room about it but I guess it got deleted when they went to new servers.

I think there should be greater restrictions on abortion. I remember hearing probably over a decade ago that the US has some of the most liberal abortion laws on the books and that even Germany was more restrictive.

On a personal level, once a fetus gets close to the point of viability, the whole "choice" argument ends in my personal opinion. If a fetus can live outside the womb, that's as solid a starting point for human life as possible.

Germany has the 14 weeks limit (i.e. the fetus is 12 weeks old) and mandatory counseling and a mandatory waiting period. Obviously there are also here women who have multiple abortions, but to me this whole abortion mess is about minimizing negative externalities.

Viability definitely is the ending point of any discussion, and with the progress of medicine, I was told by our doc that viability is today already around the 24th week. So this is way too close.

 

[HelloJapan]

Yes, anomalies exist.

 

[JonesBones]

Guys, guys, guys... chill.

An abortion is like installing a computer program, and hitting 'Cancel' at some point.

And a partial-birth abortion, is when the program is 99% installed, and hitting 'Cancel.'

Simple as that. Nothing to see here. Stop buying the right-wing propaganda that'll have you believing otherwise.
You're not a religious bigot, are you? Christians, Mormons, and even Muslims are anti-abortion.
When 'life' begins is open to interpretation, and everyone has a different interpretation. Mine is just as valid as yours.
Maybe this woman couldn't afford to support a child, or the time, or she was busy, or the kid would have been an inconvenience.
This doesn't mean you want to cut funding for Planned Parenthood, right? Because if you think that was a baby, then you must be for cutting funding for Planned Parenthood. Some people need their parenthood to be planned, and the fetus must be aborted the very moment the mother makes the decision. Wait, did I say mother? Nevermind, that implies there's a baby. No baby here.
This is a woman's rights issue! You're not a sexist, are you? Do you want all women to be in the kitchen, barefoot, and pregnant? You're sick! You're against a woman's right to choose what to do with HER body!

Yes, and when one has to talk about personhood, some group is getting killed. You say a group aren't people and then you can dispose of them.

It is pathetic how pro life people have been painted as anti science or religious nuts. Listen to dopes like Bill Nye say that pro lifers are anti science. Such a fucking scumbag he is.