Forgive me if I insult any of you that are practitioners of the 5x5 method, but I am extremely confused and distraught. I have read countless logs and sample training programs on here and they are all 5x5 programs. 5x5 is a great program for a novice lifter (first 3 months touching a bar.) They are also great to use to deload between meets or when you need a week off/rehabbing. 5x5 programs are NOT meant to be the gold standard for getting strong, are they? Really people. I have worked out with numerous guys who have totaled 2300+; my brother totaled 2100 @ 308 recently. I have studied the Westside methods, studied what the guys at BIGIron do, and have read the science behind it. In between surgeries, I have seen myself make huge gains on different programs. 5x5 method is something I have used when injured to make sure my strength levels stay where I want them. Please don't tell me its great for fighters; I fought and did a westside split and was able to condition and make strength gains. Every 5x5 I have seen posted here lacks some type of volume, accessory movements, or key components to getting stronger. Worst of all, they are just generically perscribed to people who want to know how to get strong. Lifters/fighters/boxers/dog groomers/whatever who really want to get strong don't need to see that 5x5 is the alpha and omega. NEWS FLASH: Bench Pressing 5x5, decline dumbell pressing a few sets, then running a mile will not help you get stronger. Starting Strength is a great book and Bill's work is greatly appreciated as well, but go heavy, get f***ing huge. Grow or die. Sorry for this rant, but I am really getting tired of the 5x5. It is not the ultimate compromise between strength and conditioning. It is a waste of time if you are trying to get strong and it is a waste of time if you are a bodybuilder. 5X5 =/= Getting Strong. Period. This is the strength and power forum. Get strong or get destroyed.