$5 billion for Border Wall?

If you used 40’ to build a wall it would be less than 10,000 acres @ $3;000.00 an acre that covers market rates in Texas, New Mexico and Arizona

Market rates?

{<jordan}

If it were as easy as "paying market rates", then we would have long since had a border wall. The problem that GWB experienced is that the presumable border wall (aside from being a visual nuisance) was lowering property values, and in some cases bisected land that the federal government didn't buy. That's an increased cost that people are going to want to be compensated for, hence the litany of unresolved court cases that carry on to the current day.

You guys haven't even considered how much this boondoggle is going to cost just to get to the construction stage.

https://www.texastribune.org/2017/1...government-abused-power-seize-property-fence/

The Taking: How the federal government abused its power to seize property for a border fence
A decade ago, many border Texans got a raw deal when the federal government seized land for a barrier — while others pushed up the price. Will the government's rushed, haphazard process be repeated as it pushes for a border wall?

The major findings:

  • Homeland Security circumvented laws designed to help landowners receive fair compensation. The agency did not conduct formal appraisals of targeted parcels. Instead, it issued low-ball offers based on substandard estimates of property values.
  • Larger, wealthier property owners who could afford lawyers negotiated deals that, on average, tripled the opening bids from Homeland Security. Smaller and poorer landholders took whatever the government offered — or wrung out small increases in settlements. The government conceded publicly that landowners without lawyers might wind up shortchanged, but did little to protect their interests.
  • The Justice Department bungled hundreds of condemnation cases. The agency took property without knowing the identity of the actual owners. It condemned land without researching facts as basic as property lines. Landholders spent tens of thousands of dollars to defend themselves from the government’s mistakes.
  • The government had to redo settlements with landowners after it realized it had failed to account for the valuable water rights associated with the properties, an oversight that added months to the compensation process.
  • On occasion, Homeland Security paid people for property they did not actually own. The agency did not attempt to recover the misdirected taxpayer funds, instead paying for land a second time once it determined the correct owners.
  • Nearly a decade later, scores of landowners remain tangled in lawsuits. The government has already taken their land and built the border fence. But it has not resolved claims for its value.

Expect stronger pushback now that it's confirmed that Homeland's word isn't worth half a shit.
 
Why is it retarded to go by headcount?
Because as soon as they figured out you could win elections by just campaigning in large cities rural America small population states would have no say. Politicians would just start giving free shit for votes.

“Once the people find that they can vote themselves money that will herald the end of the republic” Benjamin Franklin
 
You can't even admit the flaw in your own argument. That this is good because Trump voters wanted it. Then you double down saying the majority wants it. I clear tell that is not necessarily true and point to the fact that more people in this country voted against Trump than for Trump. You cant even really argue against what I'm stating.

You won't even address why the Republicans haven't addressed the issue before right before mid terms.

The fact you're spiralling doesn't negate anything I've said.

Trump is president. You didn't want Trump to be president. You lost.
Trump promised a wall, you don't want a wall. Wall is being approved. You lost.
Midterms are approaching, Republicans smartly waited until right before midterms to approve wall. This will help Republicans in midterms. You lost.

You can try to make this about semantics or whatever, it doesn't matter. You lost.

And you're going to lose again. And again.

In 2024, I'm sure you'll get your socialist tranny illegal immigant president like you want. You'll just have to be patient until then.
 
Because as soon as they figured out you could win elections by just campaigning in large cities rural America small population states would have no say. Politicians would just start giving free shit for votes.

“Once the people find that they can vote themselves money that will herald the end of the republic” Benjamin Franklin

So....the tax cuts that disproportionately benefited uber wealthy individuals who spent large sums of money on politicians who would pass the tax cuts isn't that?

OHHHHHHH BOY.
 
Market rates?

{<jordan}

If it were as easy as "paying market rates", then we would have long since had a border wall. The problem that GWB experienced is that the presumable border wall (aside from being a visual nuisance) was lowering property values, and in some cases bisected land that the federal government didn't buy. That's an increased cost that people are going to want to be compensated for, hence the litany of unresolved court cases that carry on to the current day.

You guys haven't even considered how much this boondoggle is going to cost just to get to the construction stage.

https://www.texastribune.org/2017/1...government-abused-power-seize-property-fence/

The Taking: How the federal government abused its power to seize property for a border fence
A decade ago, many border Texans got a raw deal when the federal government seized land for a barrier — while others pushed up the price. Will the government's rushed, haphazard process be repeated as it pushes for a border wall?



Expect stronger pushback now that it's confirmed that Homeland's word isn't worth half a shit.

It’s that or eminent domain, in any case your number aren’t even close
 
The majority of the country wants the wall...

Do you have a source for this?

*edit - nevermind, you were lying

"The majority of Americans (57%) oppose expanding the construction of walls along the nation's Southern border, a centerpiece of President Donald Trump's proposed immigration-related policies."

https://news.gallup.com/poll/235775/americans-oppose-border-walls-favor-dealing-daca.aspx


"Sixty percent of Americans polled said they were against the wall..."

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...-americans-oppose-trumps-proposed-border-wall
 
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So....the tax cuts that disproportionately benefited uber wealthy individuals who spent large sums of money on politicians who would pass the tax cuts isn't that?

OHHHHHHH BOY.
Completely ignoring the economy, jobs and wages rising
 
Completely ignoring the economy, jobs and wages rising

<Huh2>

What does any of that have to do with rich people buying politicians who give them free shit? Interesting that you're holding water for people who think you're an idiot for protecting their right to buy politicians.

Also, please learn how trends work. Kthx.
 
Someone clearly didn't read the article.

Par for the course.
Nothing in your link refutes my point, I’m dealing with this exact thing right now. Property owners can make out if they can prove proof of lose.Losing A fence and a dirt road isn’t a lose, they will end up with almost exactly wha5 they started with and never have to deal with rebuilding their fence....ever

I have no idea how they ar3 claiming water loses
 
The fact you're spiralling doesn't negate anything I've said.

Trump is president. You didn't want Trump to be president. You lost.
Trump promised a wall, you don't want a wall. Wall is being approved. You lost.
Midterms are approaching, Republicans smartly waited until right before midterms to approve wall. This will help Republicans in midterms. You lost.

You can try to make this about semantics or whatever, it doesn't matter. You lost.

And you're going to lose again. And again.

In 2024, I'm sure you'll get your socialist tranny illegal immigant president like you want. You'll just have to be patient until then.

Claiming victory before all the cards are on the table, I wouldn't expect less.

Wall is not confirmed yet, more nonsense from you. Wake me up when the bill is actually passed. Two years and still waiting.

I didn't vote for anyone that had a chance of being President for my own reasons, knowing that they werent going to be elected. So your all knowing crap doesn't matter. Try to keep up here.

Yes the Republicans are using this a tactic to help with their poor mid term numbers. I have been over that, it literally is what I have been saying. Do you have a hard time following conversations?

Trump getting elected for a second term? Wow you really like to jump the shark, dont you? It's a possibility right now sure, but a whole lot of things still have to play out. You really do have a hard time with this whole thing.

Yea I'm worried about how far the pendulum will swing after Trump's presidency. As much as you guys like to pretend I'm this super far left extremists, im not. Good job with your assumption.
 
Because as soon as they figured out you could win elections by just campaigning in large cities rural America small population states would have no say. Politicians would just start giving free shit for votes.

“Once the people find that they can vote themselves money that will herald the end of the republic” Benjamin Franklin

So instead they go and campaign in more rural areas where the power of the individual vote is overindexed vs urban areas. It's the same strategy with a different target.
 
So instead they go and campaign in more rural areas where the power of the individual vote is overindexed vs urban areas. It's the same strategy with a different target.
Not even close, with the system the founders established every state matters
 
Nothing in your link refutes my point, I’m dealing with this exact thing right now. Property owners can make out if they can prove proof of lose.Losing A fence and a dirt road isn’t a lose, they will end up with almost exactly wha5 they started with and never have to deal with rebuilding their fence....ever

I have no idea how they ar3 claiming water loses

Nothing in my link refutes your point....except for the whole article.

But hey, just use eminent domain amirite? That totally explains why we don't already have a border wall like GWB tried to do.

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Nothing in my link refutes your point....except for the whole article.

But hey, just use eminent domain amirite? That totally explains why we don't already have a border wall like GWB tried to do.

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Feel free to point it out, if anything your article says most of the land has been secured

They offer market value for your land if you fuck with them they take it ( complete bullshit but that’s you federal and local government)
 
Do you have a source for this?

*edit - nevermind, you were lying

"The majority of Americans (57%) oppose expanding the construction of walls along the nation's Southern border, a centerpiece of President Donald Trump's proposed immigration-related policies."

https://news.gallup.com/poll/235775/americans-oppose-border-walls-favor-dealing-daca.aspx


"Sixty percent of Americans polled said they were against the wall..."

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...-americans-oppose-trumps-proposed-border-wall
I just Googled it. Here were the top 2 results {<huh}

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/timot...believe-a-border-wall-is-a-good-idea-n2494000

https://www.isidewith.com/poll/2905607533
 
keep in mind you were trying to say 5 billion won’t even cover land cost
 
Why is it retarded to go by headcount?

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I think it was stated earlier that if it did, you would have the entire state of California that has 40 million(roughly) people determining the Presidency's. I mean why try winning other states when you can simply win ONE state to be POTUS? (at least that was the Gist of it, anyway)

That's why the Electoral College exists to prevent this sort of thing.
 
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