Rewatch 42 year old Arlovski giving Aspinall a tough time on the feet before losing from a technical error on the ground

orca said:
this is aspinals best win a 42 year old man from pride lol
come to think of it second best win would be volkov a journeyman from stipes era

now he wants oldman jones😂

stipe and gane is a bigger win than 42 year old andrei and journeyman volkov
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The Stipe that Jones fought wasn't a better win than Arlovski, Tybura, Volkov, Pavlovich or Blaydes. That fight was an embarrassment.
The Gane win was big for Jones, but not exactly recent
 
muaythaibeast said:
The Stipe that Jones fought wasn't a better win than Arlovski, Tybura, Volkov, Pavlovich or Blaydes. That fight was an embarrassment.
The Gane win was big for Jones, but not exactly recent
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how can you say its not a better win?
or did jones made him look bad?
where talking about jones the GOAT
 
Evbo said:
Are you fucking seriously retarded enough to think Arlovski fought in Pride? There seems to be a shared common factor of dangerously low IQ and glazing Jon Jones on this board
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are you one of those retarded people who think arlovski isnt ancient who didnt fought the same era as fedor?
 
AndrewGolota48 said:
I love how the Aspinall clowns are talking up this win over 42 year old Arlovski but shit on Jones more impressively beating HW GOAT Stipe of the same age.

Jones also beat Gane, a higher level win than anything in Aspinall's resume, and did it more decisively than any fight Aspinall has ever won (finishing with an emasculating sub like that is more impressive than winging bombs and landing one).

Tom got lit up on the feet in the first Blaydes fight and subbed and finished by Stuart Austin, tapped INSTANTLY to this guy while Jones on the other hand wouldn't even tap to juiced up Vitor cranking on his arm with full force. Jones has the heart of a champion and Tom folds at the slightest hint of adversity, his track record proves it.

If you truly think these guys are in the same class of fighter, you're clueless. It's not a competitive fight, period. I'm glad Jones isn't wasting his time gifting Aspinall a puncher's chance at a Matt Serra vs GSP type fluke.
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Psst. Your inner retard is showing again.
 
AndrewGolota48 said:
I love how the Aspinall clowns are talking up this win over 42 year old Arlovski but shit on Jones more impressively beating HW GOAT Stipe of the same age.

Jones also beat Gane, a higher level win than anything in Aspinall's resume, and did it more decisively than any fight Aspinall has ever won (finishing with an emasculating sub like that is more impressive than winging bombs and landing one).

Tom got lit up on the feet in the first Blaydes fight and subbed and finished by Stuart Austin, tapped INSTANTLY to this guy while Jones on the other hand wouldn't even tap to juiced up Vitor cranking on his arm with full force. Jones has the heart of a champion and Tom folds at the slightest hint of adversity, his track record proves it.

If you truly think these guys are in the same class of fighter, you're clueless. It's not a competitive fight, period. I'm glad Jones isn't wasting his time gifting Aspinall a puncher's chance at a Matt Serra vs GSP type fluke.
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honestly I just want to see it, you could be right but at this point we're never gonna know.
 
spinup said:
I have been saying that about Aspinall for years.
Turns out, he so freaking fast, and has a great chin, that it has worked for him so far. His biggest test was Pavlovich, he got tagged hard but hardly reacted to it, still think he played a bit of a coin flip in that fight.

Now, who else in the UFC can exploit that flaw? Jones, Gane, Almeida and Blaydes don't bring that one punch KO danger. Ngannou is the only guy I could see catch and KO him, bringing massive power and reach along with decent speed, accuracy and fight IQ.
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Thats the thing...coinflipping with your chin in the air doesnt work longterm, especially at the higher weight classes.
Actually there will be plenty who could exploit that flaw, but I agree Aspinal looks made for Ngannou with that striking style he would have a high chance to get flatlined. Which is why it would have been interesting to see how he would have done if he had chosen to stand with Arlovski here for the duration. Striking was fairly even although he was getting a little the better of it but more due to his speed and age advantage it looked rather than technically.
 
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orca said:
this is aspinals best win a 42 year old man from pride lol
come to think of it second best win would be volkov a journeyman from stipes era

now he wants oldman jones😂

stipe and gane is a bigger win than 42 year old andrei and journeyman volkov
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OK then. Let's say Aspinall doesn't "deserve" to fight Jon Jones.

Now, who is Jon Jones supposed to fight?

Gane again?


It seems that you Jones fanboys just want Jones to retire so ya'll can get head off into the sunset together. Newflash, he ain't gay, just you are. That scene you keep seeing in your head of you both rubbing coconut oil on each other while down in the Caribbean ain't gonna happen.

Also, Arlovski never fought in Pride, you dimwitted fuck.
 
It's kind of crazy if you go back on sherdog and read Aspinall's fights pre-Pavlovich. No one really cares when he wins, it was an obvious matchup like a free win. No one is even impressed by the method that he wins. After Pavlovich, everyone piled onto the Aspinall hype train. I feel like there are parts of his game that haven't been exposed yet. Everyone is just hyped at the idea someone could KO Jones.
 
Lets not forget Randy came back at 45 and was slated to be Fedors worst nightmare at that time.(07-ish)
 
Tweak896 said:
It's kind of crazy if you go back on sherdog and read Aspinall's fights pre-Pavlovich. No one really cares when he wins, it was an obvious matchup like a free win. No one is even impressed by the method that he wins. After Pavlovich, everyone piled onto the Aspinall hype train. I feel like there are parts of his game that haven't been exposed yet. Everyone is just hyped at the idea someone could KO Jones.
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I not only was talking about how good he was, I was making $ betting on him--including vs Pavlovich.

The betting sub forum often gives a more accurate view of how people truly see things. When you have actual $ riding on results and win long term, that means a lot more than random mutterings in the UFC section.
 
No offense, but this is weapons-grade copium. If Tom wasn't dangerous for Jon, he'd have already signed for an easy payday.

Unify, or vacate.
 
Ironheart said:
No offense, but this is weapons-grade copium. If Tom wasn't dangerous for Jon, he'd have already signed for an easy payday.

Unify, or vacate.
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Nobody is saying he isnt dangerous. And this thread was made honestly as an interesting observation of a well fought battle, its just these hordes who have been trained to think Aspinall is the next big thing over the past year have come out and its funny.

He is very good but fact remains he is still a no name or 'random' as Jones calls him and not worth risking his legacy over. He loses and legacy is forever tarnished. He wins, it will be "You see, Aspinall was overrated he even was having trouble and getting hit flush by 42 yr old Arlovski".

Its lose lose for Jones.
 
AndrewGolota48 said:
I love how the Aspinall clowns are talking up this win over 42 year old Arlovski but shit on Jones more impressively beating HW GOAT Stipe of the same age.

Jones also beat Gane, a higher level win than anything in Aspinall's resume, and did it more decisively than any fight Aspinall has ever won (finishing with an emasculating sub like that is more impressive than winging bombs and landing one).

Tom got lit up on the feet in the first Blaydes fight and subbed and finished by Stuart Austin, tapped INSTANTLY to this guy while Jones on the other hand wouldn't even tap to juiced up Vitor cranking on his arm with full force. Jones has the heart of a champion and Tom folds at the slightest hint of adversity, his track record proves it.

If you truly think these guys are in the same class of fighter, you're clueless. It's not a competitive fight, period. I'm glad Jones isn't wasting his time gifting Aspinall a puncher's chance at a Matt Serra vs GSP type fluke.
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Arlovski was an active fighter, Stipe was retired working as fireman who hadn’t won a fight in over 4 years.

If Jones himself agreed with you that Tom sucks, he would sign the contract instead of humiliating himself running from it and literally being willing to vacate instead of fighting Tom.

This argument isn’t about who’s a star, who’s the best or anything else. It’s that champions either need to defend or vacate.
 
mkess101 said:
I not only was talking about how good he was, I was making $ betting on him--including vs Pavlovich.

The betting sub forum often gives a more accurate view of how people truly see things. When you have actual $ riding on results and win long term, that means a lot more than random mutterings in the UFC section.
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I mean the general consensus was that he's young and he'll be good in the future. Crazy enough the only time he was an underdog was against Volkov, including with his fight potentially with Jones.
 
Tweak896 said:
I mean the general consensus was that he's young and he'll be good in the future. Crazy enough the only time he was an underdog was against Volkov, including with his fight potentially with Jones.
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Yeah that's kinda what I'm saying. The UFC forum you get a bunch of people that will yap and make declarations "Aspinall isn't even that good! He will get steamrolled by Jones and talked about like Gane is now!" And if the fight happens and Aspinall smokes Jones, they'll disappear. Icemun and Luffy and Mark G will **poof**, be gone.

People who HAVE to be right more than they're wrong that set (and adjust) betting lines...different story. Much of that is understanding how the public is likely to bet of course. But generally name recognition brings action. Jon Jones is a name. Aspinall really isn't yet. Which means the fact that the books make Aspinall a favorite matters even more. They know if they don't, sharps will be all over betting him.
 
mkess101 said:
Yeah that's kinda what I'm saying. The UFC forum you get a bunch of people that will yap and make declarations "Aspinall isn't even that good! He will get steamrolled by Jones and talked about like Gane is now!" And if the fight happens and Aspinall smokes Jones, they'll disappear. Icemun and Luffy and Mark G will **poof**, be gone.

People who HAVE to be right more than they're wrong that set (and adjust) betting lines...different story. Much of that is understanding how the public is likely to bet of course. But generally name recognition brings action. Jon Jones is a name. Aspinall really isn't yet. Which means the fact that the books make Aspinall a favorite matters even more. They know if they don't, sharps will be all over betting him.
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I just remember watching all his earlier fights thinking what is even good at? He could do a little of everything, but never impressed me in one area. I read into a little background of BJJ, but still don't think it was on the level of Werdum or Mir to shake the game. His striking looked much better when he was getting clean KO's later on and that's when I thought he looked more special to me. So I'm guilty of it too. But he was on my prospect radar for no great reason for his first few fights. He seemed like the style to win at rock, paper, scissors (as far as beating opponents where they are weakest), but yeah even now I just see KO power, but not Ngannou level.
 
Tweak896 said:
I just remember watching all his earlier fights thinking what is even good at? He could do a little of everything, but never impressed me in one area. I read into a little background of BJJ, but still don't think it was on the level of Werdum or Mir to shake the game. His striking looked much better when he was getting clean KO's later on and that's when I thought he looked more special to me. So I'm guilty of it too. But he was on my prospect radar for no great reason for his first few fights. He seemed like the style to win at rock, paper, scissors (as far as beating opponents where they are weakest), but yeah even now I just see KO power, but not Ngannou level.
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He has solid subs but in no way is he the bjj threat of Mir, let alone a world champ level guy like Werdum. There are idiots that point to Aspinall losing via heel hook 10 years ago in his 4th pro fight as evidence that his grappling sucks. Quite frankly, those morons are my favorite kind because they help me get more attractive betting lines via their ignorance. The reality is that from the (albeit limited) evidence we have, Aspinall is a very much above average HW grappler, but can't be mentioned with the elite HW grapplers we've seen.

His striking is a different story. His speed is what mostly separates him. Both at range and in the pocket. If you watch what happens when guys throw at him and then try to reset, that's where it's most obvious. They just aren't used to having strikes get there so quickly as they reset. The Pav KO is a perfect example. Pav throws and Tom slips and his counter hits the side of Pav's head so fast, it's just not a shot that HW's land so quickly in that spot. The Blaydes KO too. Blaydes throws an overhand and at the distance he's at, he thinks he's safe. Tom's counter just gets there quicker than what other HW's are capable of.

Does he have the raw power of Ngannou? Probably not, nobody in MMA does. But that doesn't matter all that much, you only need enough power to put the other guy away and if your punches land and theirs don't, how hard they hit is irrelevant. Pav honestly probably has more raw power than Aspinall. Meant nothing at all when they fought.
 
mkess101 said:
He has solid subs but in no way is he the bjj threat of Mir, let alone a world champ level guy like Werdum. There are idiots that point to Aspinall losing via heel hook 10 years ago in his 4th pro fight as evidence that his grappling sucks. Quite frankly, those morons are my favorite kind because they help me get more attractive betting lines via their ignorance. The reality is that from the (albeit limited) evidence we have, Aspinall is a very much above average HW grappler, but can't be mentioned with the elite HW grapplers we've seen.

His striking is a different story. His speed is what mostly separates him. Both at range and in the pocket. If you watch what happens when guys throw at him and then try to reset, that's where it's most obvious. They just aren't used to having strikes get there so quickly as they reset. The Pav KO is a perfect example. Pav throws and Tom slips and his counter hits the side of Pav's head so fast, it's just not a shot that HW's land so quickly in that spot. The Blaydes KO too. Blaydes throws an overhand and at the distance he's at, he thinks he's safe. Tom's counter just gets there quicker than what other HW's are capable of.

Does he have the raw power of Ngannou? Probably not, nobody in MMA does. But that doesn't matter all that much, you only need enough power to put the other guy away and if your punches land and theirs don't, how hard they hit is irrelevant. Pav honestly probably has more raw power than Aspinall. Meant nothing at all when they fought.
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He's definitely a level above the competition currently at HW right now. The only guys besides Jones he hasn't fought are Gane or Almeida. I feel like he could takedown Gane beat him on the ground and keep it standing with Almeida to beat him on the feet. But even if he does win those fights, there's going to be a questions because no one besides Jones is really ready for his well roundedness.

I'm shocked it took until Aspinall for guys to figure out Pavlovich, he was so lumbering with his strikes. Crazy how many here had him as the future HW GOAT.
 
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